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three0four 09-17-2019 02:34 AM

Can somebody tell me if this baseball is what I think it is?
 
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So this might sound really dumb, but as I was going through a bunch of totes of stuff that my grandfather had all kinds of odds and ends thrown into I came across this baseball. There's no telling how long this thing sat in the basement, but honestly it looks like at some point Fido, Lassy, or maybe even Clifford decided it looked like a toy. Which is really kind of depressing because even though at first I didn't think much about it because I don't really have much experience with autographs and sports memorabilia, once I looked up the name that stood out the most, I started piecing together the rest. Now I know this is my first post here and I swear I'm not just trying to get somebody to do the work for me, but I'm guessing there's a couple people here that will be able to tell what this is right away (assuming it's real) without doing all the searching and narrowing down of years that I had to, lol. I'm just kind of curious to see if anybody comes up with the same thing I have. Some of the names are pretty faded, and the one side is kind of rough thanks to Fido, but just in case I bought a little case for it until I know for sure.

Would anybody happen to have an idea what it is I have here?

https://imgur.com/SDkUC18
https://imgur.com/Sfr6wME
https://imgur.com/TKYnSRx
https://imgur.com/5LAQhXw
https://imgur.com/4kiPcyQ
https://imgur.com/8ypwL8n
https://imgur.com/suz2m4C
https://imgur.com/eP0eu6E
https://imgur.com/tF1N9ms
https://imgur.com/KkyNEkP

three0four 09-17-2019 02:51 AM

Sorry
 
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Ok, so I didn't realize that the 2 pictures of the bad side(s) of the ball didn't post for some reason, let's try that again....

Bpm0014 09-17-2019 08:03 AM

If that is supposed to be Lou Gehrig on the sweet spot, the signature is 100% not real. I can't answer as to the other signatures though, but the Lazzeri looks ok (although I'm no expert on Lazzeri).

khkco4bls 09-17-2019 08:55 AM

I see lazzari Johnny Murphy and red Rolfe I think under that which look fine

three0four 09-17-2019 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bpm0014 (Post 1917417)
If that is supposed to be Lou Gehrig on the sweet spot, the signature is 100% not real. I can't answer as to the other signatures though, but the Lazzeri looks ok (although I'm no expert on Lazzeri).

Thanks for responding....sadly I'm not an expert on any of them. Although do you mind if I ask what makes you say its not real? I'm just asking because although it is really faded and rather hard to get a good photo of, to me it almost seems to match some of the examples I can find online. Again, I'm no expert, I just wouldn't want to dismiss something rather important.

It's been really hard to get a photo that seems to show every little detail you can see up close. From the names I've been able to piece together I've narrowed it down to either 1935, 1936, or possibly even 1937 Yankees.

I'm really not trying to doubt anybodies expertise, I just know that it seems almost impossible to get a picture that shows everything you can see looking at it up close.

Bpm0014 09-17-2019 12:16 PM

For starters, his L and G looked nothing like that on (which is on the ball).

canjond 09-17-2019 02:53 PM

Just to ask the question, is the signature on the sweet spot an earlier version of Lefty Gomez, hence why it looks nothing like Gehrig?

three0four 09-17-2019 03:00 PM

Actually, if you look on the second picture in my second post, I think Lefty is on there, right underneath what I could only figure (and I could be crazy wrong about this) is Joe DiMaggio.

bigj7489 09-27-2019 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canjond (Post 1917516)
Just to ask the question, is the signature on the sweet spot an earlier version of Lefty Gomez, hence why it looks nothing like Gehrig?

That's what I'm thinking.

bigj7489 09-27-2019 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by three0four (Post 1917517)
Actually, if you look on the second picture in my second post, I think Lefty is on there, right underneath what I could only figure (and I could be crazy wrong about this) is Joe DiMaggio.

First letter of that looks like an R to me...

bigj7489 09-27-2019 10:49 AM

Question...is it possible that there would be a clubhouse/secretarial signature of Gehrig during this era (presumably 36-37) and that's what's on the sweet spot?

Butch7999 09-27-2019 11:10 AM

Coach John Schulte below Lazzeri and Murphy, no?

todeen 09-27-2019 12:25 PM

+1 I'm in agreement with this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by three0four (Post 1917517)
Actually, if you look on the second picture in my second post, I think Lefty is on there, right underneath what I could only figure (and I could be crazy wrong about this) is Joe DiMaggio.


todeen 09-28-2019 02:15 PM

You know I thought about this overnight. If it was me, regardless of net54 opinions, I would send it to a TPA. The signatures are so faint that its hard to make things out clearly. Members helped identify multiple autos, so pay the fee for 3-5 to be authenticated. If the Gehrig turns out to be clubhouse, that's what you were expecting because of net54 opinions. But you could also be nicely surprised. I think the ball is a cool find regardless of authenticity of the Gehrig. And the chew marks don't really bother me either. The original owner obviously valued the ball enough to not throw it away.

yanks12025 09-28-2019 04:23 PM

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The Gehrig to me looks the classic clubhouse auto of his

stewbacca 09-28-2019 07:46 PM

What an awesome find. Here is what I see:
Pic 1
1 Jack Saltzgaver
2 Bump Hadley
3
4 Myril Hoag
5
6

Pics 2, 7, 8
1. Lou Gehrig clubhouse???

Pic 3, 4
1
2 Tony Lazzeri
3 Johnny Murphy
4 Johnny Schulte
5 Red Rolfe ??

pic 5, 6
1
2
3

pic 9 American League Logo

Pic 10
1 too faded and dog bites
2
3 Joe Dimaggio
4 Lefty Gomez

based on those names I would put it as 1936 or 37. DiMaggio was 36 and Lazzeri left after 37. Can we figure out the other signatures? Also, different filters on the pictures may help bring out the autographs better. Try playing with the phones/cameras filters. Someone may know which ones are best.

thanks,
Stew

HexsHeroes 09-30-2019 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yanks12025 (Post 1919989)
The Gehrig to me looks the classic clubhouse auto of his


. . . which appears to me to have either been signed by Lefty Gomez (as per signature on OP's ball),
or that the Gomez signature on OP's ball was also clubhouse signed by same individual (the "L" in Lefty and in Lou are nearly identical).


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