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RayBShotz 03-03-2010 08:41 PM

Topps Venezuelans
 
How tough?

Your thoughtful comments would be appreciated on this topic.
Thanks.
RayB

hcv123 03-03-2010 10:47 PM

How tough?
 
I think a really good way to answer this question is with PSA pop reports -

1959 - USA - 174,583 graded
Venezuelan - 147 graded

1960 - USA - 154,516 graded
Venezuelan - 396 graded

1962 - USA - 122,650 graded
Venezuelan - 614 graded

1964 - USA - 105,841 graded
Venezuelan - 740 graded

1966 - USA - 93,995 graded
Venezuelan - 1231 graded

1967 - USA - 124,457 graded
Venezuelan - 698 graded

1968 - USA - 160,601 graded
Venezuelan - 405 graded

Imho, these cards are completely under appreciated. Many collectors don't know they exist or how to recognize one if they saw it raw. Are you collecting them? Selling them? If you're selling drop me a line - I am always looking to add to my collection. Thanks.

-Howard

David W 03-04-2010 08:29 AM

There are a number of them on Ebay, however, I have been looking for a 68 Lou Brock World Series card for years.

I"ve found all the other Lou Brock cards.

I imagine if you were trying to put a set together, it would be pretty tough.

There were several people at the National with large quantities of Venezuelan's.

Also, high grade does not seem to exist, that may be another reason, aside from scarcity why the pop reports are so low.

RayBShotz 03-04-2010 11:01 AM

Howard - Looking for V cards for my collection especially 66's.
Aside from the expensive batch of graded examples on eBay these appear to be exceedingly rare.
David - The Nationals might be my next best shot at acquiring some more.
RayB

bcbgcbrcb 03-04-2010 11:10 AM

IMHO - pretty scarce, not very popular to mainstream collectors (as mentioned previously) probably because they are hard to identify via the internet by anyone except the most educated collectors. Based on these two criteria, I believe they are currently fairly priced for the market based on supply/demand.

Rob D. 03-04-2010 11:11 AM

A couple of years ago there was a 1967 Lajoie "Retirado" on eBay. I thought I put in a snipe that would be more than enough -- by a lot. Turns out I was wrong. Maybe it was a case of there being one other person out there who was as goofy as I was with a snipe, but I've yet to come across another example.

RayBShotz 03-04-2010 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob D. (Post 787442)
A couple of years ago there was a 1967 Lajoie "Retirado" on eBay. I thought I put in a snipe that would be more than enough -- by a lot. Turns out I was wrong. Maybe it was a case of there being one other person out there who was as goofy as I was with a snipe, but I've yet to come across another example.

Rob - 1967 Retired Players seem to be hugely sought after by "player collectors" and thereby have an unusally higher demand.

hcv123 03-04-2010 03:48 PM

Good news!
 
Ray,

The good news is that the 66's are the easiest to find AND are possible in better grades as my understanding is there was no album issued for them to be glued into that year. Don't overpay for lower grade (PSA 3 or lower), but don't be afraid to pay for higher grade stars - the demand SIGNIFICANTLY overshadows the supply on the stars - commons on the other hand should be a pretty good deal as previously mentioned, not many woring on sets. Me, I'm trying to put together a collection of some of the superstars from 1959-1972. Have a good start from 10 years ago, but still need plenty of them. Happy collecting.

-Howard

a761506 03-04-2010 07:18 PM

I wouldn't read into the population reports too much and think that 1966 was the easiest year to find. The 1966 population report has been beefed up largely by me. There absolutely was a 1966 album (I own one) and the cards were glued in the albums like crazy in 1966. I dug high and low to get the 1966 cards that I have, which are responsible for close to 75% of the higher grade material in the 1966 pop. report, but most cards are not found that nice. 1966 Venezuelan cards were printed on the best quality card stock they used for any Venezuelan set, and the stock has allowed the cards to survive a little better.

I personally think finding 1964 cards is easier than 1966 cards, but finding cards with no surface damage is easier in 1966. The 1964 cards are on terrible card stock, and the black backs make finding clean examples from this year a huge undertaking.

hcv123 03-04-2010 07:41 PM

I humbly stand corrected
 
:o Thanks Josh. Obviously got my facts wrong. For those who don't know - Josh is "THE" man when it comes to Venezuelans.


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