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Exhibitman 12-21-2017 01:00 PM

I guess we have a market decision on Ali's RC
 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1960-Hemmet...C/401457383949

A PSA 9 1960 Hemmetts went for $15,109.09. Only a handful of boxing cards I know of besides the 48 Leaf Graziano have sold for over $10,000, so this is a big deal.

There've been lots of debates, here and elsewhere, over what constitutes Ali's RC. I've always advocated for the Hemmetts card. I guess a few bidders were thinking the same thing.

Some other cards in the PWCC auction had interesting results:

1962 Rekord Clay PSA 8 $425
1951 Ringside
--Tunney PSA 7 $385
--Marciano PSA 7 $711
1958 leaf Louis PSA 6 $271
1926 Spalding Dempsey PSA 8 $282
T220
--Wilson PSA 7 $305
--McAuliffe PSA 7 $135.50
--Hart PSA 8 $380
--Burns PSA 7 $135.50
--Burke PSA 8 $380
--Beecher PSA 8 $380
--Barry PSA 8 $271

Your thoughts?

Peter_Spaeth 12-21-2017 01:36 PM

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A grade on a hand cut card, which is indicative in large part only of how cleanly someone was able to cut it from the full panel, is not all that meaningful to me. Sure it doesn't have the characteristic abrasion on the back which so many do have and that accounts for a lot of minty looking 4s, but still. I'd rather have the panel. Oh wait, I do have it, although not in high grade. As to the rookie card question, I do agree with Adam that it is his rookie.

pkaufman 12-21-2017 03:18 PM

Looks like the boxing market is heating up......still many undervalued issues.

Exhibitman 12-21-2017 04:28 PM

I sure hope so...

Maybe not meaningful to you, Peter, but it meant $15K to at least two people. I agree, the full panel is better but registry uber alles.

Dpeck100 12-21-2017 05:28 PM

Let me go check but I believe a PSA 9 went for 40k in a recent Heritage auction.

Dpeck100 12-21-2017 05:32 PM

https://sports.ha.com/itm/boxing/196...umbnail-071515


Yeah $40,800.


I don't think the registry has anything to do with a card selling for more than the page. It is being treated like a card and I personally would much rather own the individual Clay than the page with the others on it. I think if you polled 100 collectors at least 90% would rather the single cut out card.

Peter_Spaeth 12-21-2017 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dpeck100 (Post 1731641)
https://sports.ha.com/itm/boxing/196...umbnail-071515


Yeah $40,800.


I don't think the registry has anything to do with a card selling for more than the page. It is being treated like a card and I personally would much rather own the individual Clay than the page with the others on it. I think if you polled 100 collectors at least 90% would rather the single cut out card.

That's a pretty big disparity between those two auctions, wow. David I don't doubt you are right, but I don't understand the thinking, a piece of a cut up 4 on 1 Exhibit is pretty worthless even if it depicts Ruth, what's the difference? Maybe these panels were intended to be cut up? Even so, I prefer the intact item.

frankbmd 12-21-2017 06:20 PM

How could one possibly cut one of those panels?

Peter and I share in our appreciation of the value of Wilma Rudolph's inclusion on the 4 in 1.;)

CW 12-21-2017 07:30 PM

I'm not sure what I'm more surprised about.

The fact that this Ali card sold in Heritage for $40,000

or

That Adam wasn't aware of the sale.

YOU'RE SLIPPIN', MAN! :)

Cool card and interesting disparity between the two sales.

Exhibitman 12-21-2017 08:37 PM

Heritage doesn't even send me a catalog. I missed a ton of their stuff. Not sure why I made their shit list, but I guess I did. $40,800...wow. So totally not worth it.


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