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jad22 10-28-2017 07:00 PM

Bill Russell
 
I do not know anything about this particular set. Doesn't look like Russell to me. Thoughts?

https://sports.ha.com/itm/basketball...umbnail-071515

jad22 10-29-2017 11:29 AM

My guess is the checklist is incorrect and the player pictured on 62 is 61 and vice versa.

Peter_Spaeth 10-29-2017 04:56 PM

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Indeed the guy on the left looks a lot more like Russell, no?

Exhibitman 10-29-2017 05:04 PM

Sure does.

jad22 10-29-2017 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth (Post 1715091)
Indeed the guy on the left looks a lot more like Russell, no?

I concur. A very expensive Jesse Arnelle rookie.

Peter_Spaeth 10-30-2017 09:11 AM

I sent an email to Joe O. yesterday about the misidentification. No word back yet.

petecld 10-30-2017 09:50 PM

Russell Card
 
After being notified about this the lot has been withdrawn from the auction.

Peter

jad22 10-31-2017 02:45 PM

I would have thought Bill Russell was more recognizable than this. Oh well.

Exhibitman 11-01-2017 11:07 AM

Maybe not in 1955...

Here's a fun tidbit, all of the PSA graded "Russell" cards aren't.

HasselhoffsCheeseburger 11-08-2017 10:42 AM

Weird. The wrong guy is labeled Russell on my sheet too. I wonder if they based it off an old pic of my sheet somewhere? Whoever owned my sheet back in the day wrote everyone's name in pencil next to each photo.

The stupid security token crap won't let me upload a photo and photobucket can eat my bum. Any suggestions?

Arthur

Exhibitman 11-08-2017 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HasselhoffsCheeseburger (Post 1718051)
Weird. The wrong guy is labeled Russell on my sheet too. I wonder if they based it off an old pic of my sheet somewhere? Whoever owned my sheet back in the day wrote everyone's name in pencil next to each photo.

The stupid security token crap won't let me upload a photo and photobucket can eat my bum. Any suggestions?

Arthur


My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...8833-640wi.jpg

ALR-bishop 11-08-2017 02:34 PM

I was born in 1950 and lived in St Louis until 1985. As a kid I used to attend St Louis Hawk games with an uncle who was a season ticket holder. The Hawks moved to Atlanta in the mid 60s, but had some pretty good teams in the late 50s.

In the 56 draft the Hawks had the second pick and had Russell but traded him to Boston for Ed McCauley, who was a St Louis guy, and Cliff Hagen out of Kentucky who had been drafted by the Celts but had not yet played for them. At the time management felt white players were a better draw in St Louis.

The trade gave the Hawks Clyde Lovellete, Bob Pettit and Hagan up from and they had some success, actually beating the Celts in 57/58 for the championship ( with Russell hobbled by an ankle injury). But Celtic history with Russell is of course legendary

My only basketball set is the 61 Fleer set

Arthur-- if you can email me the pic I can try to post it. I still have a photo-bucket account

jad22 11-09-2017 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HasselhoffsCheeseburger (Post 1718051)
Weird. The wrong guy is labeled Russell on my sheet too. I wonder if they based it off an old pic of my sheet somewhere? Whoever owned my sheet back in the day wrote everyone's name in pencil next to each photo.

The stupid security token crap won't let me upload a photo and photobucket can eat my bum. Any suggestions?

Arthur

I think the checklist for the set is wrong. I think it has Russell and Arnelle mixed up. So, if someone is using the checklist to mark guys it is wrong and if PSA uses that list it is wrong.

ALR-bishop 11-10-2017 04:21 PM

Got theses from The Cheesburger.

Arthur-- 3d one looks cut off but that was all that was on the 3d attachment you sent

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...pskatbud4g.jpg

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...pshlw904fk.jpg

http://i1267.photobucket.com/albums/...psmzoqbt1f.jpg

HasselhoffsCheeseburger 11-11-2017 07:27 AM

Thanks, Al. Yeah, that's where it shifted into the boxers. When I did my scans I cropped them all by sport -- baseball, football, basketball, boxing.

Arthur

Vintage Basketball Pat 03-25-2018 01:45 AM

Bill Russell
 
That is absolutely Bill Russell. This is the 1955 All American Sports Club issue. It is really a group of thin sheets with multi-sport player portraits. Recently we've seen people cutting up these sheets and PSA is rating them. I have mixed feelings about that. However, people are buying them and it would be Russell's first "card".

Regards,

Pat

Exhibitman 03-26-2018 12:32 PM

Pat, which one do you say "is absolutely Bill Russell": the one labeled Bill Russell or the one labeled Jess Arnelle? Your post is not clear. And please explain why: do you have a source image that might help clear things up?

Al, here's one you might get a kick out of:

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...0Lovelette.jpg

I think this is Lovelette's first card, from the 1952 Olympics

Peter_Spaeth 03-26-2018 06:42 PM

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It's obvious which one is Russell.

Neat issue, Adam, I have a Zatopek from the same, I can't find a Felix Potin in decent shape to save my life.

Oh and it looks like PSA now calls Russell Russell.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-All-Am...p2047675.l2557

jad22 03-27-2018 01:03 PM

https://photos.imageevent.com/exhibi...0Lovelette.jpg

I think this is Lovelette's first card, from the 1952 Olympics[/quote]

I have always liked Lovelette's autograph on programs and yearbooks. Unique.

Exhibitman 03-27-2018 01:29 PM

PSA's about-face won't make things more confusing :rolleyes:

Vintage Basketball Pat 03-31-2018 04:52 PM

Russell Image - clarification
 
I understand now. After looking at this more, #61 is Russell. The checklist in not accurate, as you guys have mentioned. #62 is Arnelle for sure. I think the issue was confused slightly by PSA capsulating one of these inaccurately that was going to be auctions on Heritage last year.

I own these sheets and never noticed that reversal prior. Interesting.


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