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Old 04-19-2018, 08:13 AM
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According the baseball reference, he is the worst defensive player in the National League and 3rd worst in MLB. Also, WAR is unrelated to team wins, it is just a number.
No one should use BR as a reference for defense. They have Mattingly with a negative dWAR for his career despite him winning 9 Gold Gloves and being seen universally as an elite defender.
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Old 04-19-2018, 08:16 AM
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Based on Peter's question and subsequent comments, I believe I've found the answer.

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Old 04-19-2018, 08:42 AM
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Based on Peter's question and subsequent comments, I believe I've found the answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNk
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I once brought up this point and got attacked by every angle. I think you can make a better judgement with the basic stats and a good old fashioned eye test.
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Defensive measures tend to swing around wildly. The problem is probably that Harper had a few bad games defensively and hasn't yet had enough good games to make up for them. By the end of the season he almost certainly will though.

Same deal with Dickerson, just the other way around. Dickerson isn't a good fielder. He's probably made a few spectacular plays early this season, and his usual lackluster plays haven't made up for them yet. But they will.

Think about it this way: Jed Lowrie isn't going to lead the majors in RBIs this season. But he is leading the majors in RBIs right now. He's had unusual success batting with men on base early this season, but by the end of the year his batting in clutch situations will drop off and Springer or somebody like that will lead the league in RBIs. Same deal with Harper/Dickerson on defense.
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Reversion to the mean. Look it up. Cruddy players and teams may be great for a short time and vice versa but over time they go back to their natural places in the pecking order. Brian Doyle hit .438 in the 1978 Series; his lifetime BA is .161. He had a hell of a hot hand in 6 games but went back to being a scrub after that. See also Brosius, Scott.
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That said, there have been some players who for some reason played way above their "mean" for an entire season. Norm Cash 1961 comes immediately to mind. Steve Stone I forget which year. Brady Anderson but that probably had an explanation.
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I see on ESPN that Bryce Harper, who is leading the league in just about everything even walks, is TWELFTH in WAR this morning, with a WAR barely over half of the leader, Corey Dickerson. How can this be? Some anomaly due to small number of games played so far? (On the other hand, not surprisingly, Mike Trout leads the AL.)
Imo war is a bad stat
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If you're going to criticize it you should say what's wrong with it and help us fix it. Where in the equations is the inaccuracy?
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