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Old 02-15-2017, 01:51 AM
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Ha, if i were to sit down and send emails to PWCC about all of the shills and whatnot going on in their auctions, I wouldn't find time to eat, s**t or sleep. It's not my job to go onto ebay and police PWCC auctions, but when i do see some b.s. I will post it here. I avoid their auctions like no tomorrow unless i want a good laugh.

Are they doing something?? Anyone can say whatever they like, but action is where the beef is. There is no action on their side. None...unless they get caught or i mean someone calls something out. That's total b.s. If you come on here with some big mean policy that is supposed to comfort people into bidding on your auctions then try to be proactive and not reactive!
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Old 02-15-2017, 08:49 AM
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This might be one of the most stupid (or ignorant) posts I have seen on this board. You either didn't or can't comprehend post #9?

To PWCC- As someone who runs a forum with around 8000 users I will tell you that no matter what you do there will be some idiot who doesn't like it.. Keep doing what you are doing, please. Be vigilant. The hobby supports you...

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Ha, if i were to sit down and send emails to PWCC about all of the shills and whatnot going on in their auctions, I wouldn't find time to eat, s**t or sleep. It's not my job to go onto ebay and police PWCC auctions, but when i do see some b.s. I will post it here. I avoid their auctions like no tomorrow unless i want a good laugh.

Are they doing something?? Anyone can say whatever they like, but action is where the beef is. There is no action on their side. None...unless they get caught or i mean someone calls something out. That's total b.s. If you come on here with some big mean policy that is supposed to comfort people into bidding on your auctions then try to be proactive and not reactive!
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Old 02-15-2017, 09:13 AM
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This might be one of the most stupid (or ignorant) posts I have seen on this board. You either didn't or can't comprehend post #9?

To PWCC- As someone who runs a forum with around 8000 users I will tell you that no matter what you do there will be some idiot who doesn't like it.. Keep doing what you are doing, please. Be vigilant. The hobby supports you...
I agree. PWCC has hundreds of auctions ending every night with quite a few different bidders in each one. There is no way that they can monitor each and every bidder. The eBay system has nothing to help do this. This is why they ask for people that see suspicious bidding to alert them. If you don't like the way them do this, don't bid. Don't come here and bitch and complain when you see something you don't like.
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Old 02-15-2017, 09:28 AM
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The high bidder on the Mike Trout refractor has 26 retractions. Found this in two minutes looking through the highest price auctions.

Bidder Information
Bidder: l***n( 128Feedback score is 100 to 499)
Feedback: 100%Positive
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2009 Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor Mike Trout ROOKIE RC AUTO /50 BGS 9.5 (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 1

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Total bids: 4
Items bid on: 3
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 50% Help
Bid retractions: 0
Bid retractions (6 months): 26

Sure it's not realistic to monitor every auction. But at the same time it would not take that much effort to check the most expensive auctions or to do a reasonably thorough spot check. Imagine if Ford said, we produce thousands of cars, we can't possibly do quality control. In my opinion if you are serious about a policy, you need to put in some time and effort to enforce it, not just sit back passively and react if someone calls something to your attention.
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Old 02-15-2017, 09:28 AM
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I agree. PWCC has hundreds of auctions ending every night with quite a few different bidders in each one. There is no way that they can monitor each and every bidder. The eBay system has nothing to help do this. This is why they ask for people that see suspicious bidding to alert them. If you don't like the way them do this, don't bid. Don't come here and bitch and complain when you see something you don't like.
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The consignors are the one's that would effectuate change with the help from the buyers. If more people didnt bid on 'shilled' aucitions then the consignors may be dissatisfied with the prices realized which in turn may reduce consignments which in turn may promote policy changes. As long as legit people keep bidding and winning on 'shilled' auctions it will go on. The bidders are to blame period.

Please add 'alleged' before every 'shilled'


In addition, If you win an auction due to the guy above you retracting, i am pretty sure the seller will understand and agree 100% that you can cancel your purchase as well. That would frustrate consignors.

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Old 02-15-2017, 09:49 AM
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I agree the high bidder should be blocked and his bid retracted. 26 retractions in 6 months....the guy should be in jail (almost serious)..

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The high bidder on the Mike Trout refractor has 26 retractions. Found this in two minutes looking through the highest price auctions.

Bidder Information
Bidder: l***n( 128Feedback score is 100 to 499)
Feedback: 100%Positive
Item description:
Item Title:
2009 Bowman Chrome Gold Refractor Mike Trout ROOKIE RC AUTO /50 BGS 9.5 (PWCC)
Bids on this item: 1

30-Day Summary
Total bids: 4
Items bid on: 3
Bid activity (%) with this seller: 50% Help
Bid retractions: 0
Bid retractions (6 months): 26

Sure it's not realistic to monitor every auction. But at the same time it would not take that much effort to check the most expensive auctions or to do a reasonably thorough spot check. Imagine if Ford said, we produce thousands of cars, we can't possibly do quality control. In my opinion if you are serious about a policy, you need to put in some time and effort to enforce it, not just sit back passively and react if someone calls something to your attention.
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Old 02-15-2017, 10:08 AM
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I agree the high bidder should be blocked and his bid retracted. 26 retractions in 6 months....the guy should be in jail (almost serious)..
So why am I finding it and not PWCC? Even five minutes of due diligence would have uncovered it. I can only wonder how many I would turn up if I took an hour.
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Old 02-15-2017, 11:53 AM
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Leon, apparently you don't know anything about data scrapping. PWCC could easily hire a programmer that could data scrape their auctions to know who is bidding. The programmer would create a program to do this. It really is that easy and in my opinion, PWCC owes it to their real bidders.

Not to mention, as previously posted, it takes all of 5 minutes to catch this manually too. There simply is no due diligence. Why did PWCC even come up with the "policy" if they don't even try to monitor their auctions.

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It's called "public relations" aka lying.
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It's called "public relations" aka lying.
I guess when you're that successful you don't need to worry too much about a few skeptics.
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