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Old 04-17-2018, 07:58 AM
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Default Does WAR mean anything??

I see on ESPN that Bryce Harper, who is leading the league in just about everything even walks, is TWELFTH in WAR this morning, with a WAR barely over half of the leader, Corey Dickerson. How can this be? Some anomaly due to small number of games played so far? (On the other hand, not surprisingly, Mike Trout leads the AL.)
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Old 04-18-2018, 07:58 AM
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Harper is going nuts with the stick, but he's only a left fielder. Even somewhat comparable output from a center fielder, catcher or shortstop is going to mean more WAR for the premium position player.

Honestly, while I understand the concept of value at positions that are considered defensive premiums, I think the whole thing is sightly overdone when it comes to WAR.

Last I checked, Harper is by far the best player in the bigs right now.
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Old 04-18-2018, 08:08 AM
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He is 16th in the NL this morning. Leads the league in HR RBI OBP and OPS. What a joke.

WAR
Good god y'all
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
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Old 04-18-2018, 08:39 AM
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WAR comes in handy only for stat jocks who can't support their point any other way. Even more useless is dWAR.
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Old 04-18-2018, 08:49 AM
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Batting average, hrs, rbis,sbs

If it works for roto it works for me!

Dont even get me started on "exit velocity"

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Old 04-18-2018, 09:01 AM
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He is 16th in the NL this morning. Leads the league in HR RBI OBP and OPS. What a joke.

WAR
Good god y'all
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
And he leads the league in Offensive WAR, all of those stats go into that metric. His Defensive WAR is -.6, that is why he doesn't lead in WAR. On the other hand Corey Dickerson has already accumulated 1.0 Defensive WAR with his exceptional defense.

I agree with the 'stache that we can question how defense is calculated. I have an issue with giving players a premium for the position they play or penalize them for playing another position. However, I don't think it gives enough value for those that are outstanding defensively. When evaluating Harper, is he an above average fielder or does his defense hurt the team? That is the question you should be asking. We know he is the best hitter in the league right now and WAR backs that up.
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Old 04-18-2018, 09:23 AM
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So after 15 games he has supposedly cost his team close to a full game compared to the average outfielder? That sounds insane.
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This reminds me of the thread where some types of card collecting get ripped... as in, there are different ways to collect and there are different ways to enjoy the game of baseball. Why rip the ways you don't like?

If you like batting average, good for you! If you enjoy wOBA, have fun! Only into sacrifice flies and balks? Enjoy it!

I think people enjoying different facets of collecting and the game make it more interesting and are better for the long term viability of each. Bashing what other people enjoy is only counter-productive.

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Eh, idk, someone asks an opinion and we give it. No harm no foul, to each his own, and maybe some other cliches i cant think of cuz its late. Stats, even traditional ones, can be twisted to "say" anything. Thats the cool thing about it, in a way.

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So after 15 games he has supposedly cost his team close to a full game compared to the average outfielder? That sounds insane.
According the baseball reference, he is the worst defensive player in the National League and 3rd worst in MLB. Also, WAR is unrelated to team wins, it is just a number.
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