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Old 07-05-2017, 04:21 PM
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Default Ken Kendrick's 1952 Topps Baseball Set

Won Rookie of the Year status from the 2017 PSA Set Registry competition:

"The DBacks Collection - 1952 Topps Baseball Basic & Master Sets
There are certain categories on the Registry where the competition has been built up over many years between resident collectors, so itís rare to see a new entry make the kind of statement and impact that this incredible set did in 2017. After being added to our site, this set vaulted to #2 on the All-Time Finest list, carrying a GPA of 8.53. This set, which requires significantly more cards than the Basic set due to the numerous variations found in Series 1 (490 versus 407), packs a serious wallop. This yearís inductee is the only one in Registry history to have both a PSA 10 Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays in the same set. In terms of sheer monetary value, this is the most valuable 1952 Topps set registered on the site. For now, the collection continues to improve as it seeks to dethrone our longstanding leader in overall GPA. In addition to being named Best Rookie Set of the Year, this set joins elite company in our Hall of Fame."

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Old 07-05-2017, 04:32 PM
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Won Rookie of the Year status from the 2017 PSA Set Registry competition:

"The DBacks Collection - 1952 Topps Baseball Basic & Master Sets
There are certain categories on the Registry where the competition has been built up over many years between resident collectors, so itís rare to see a new entry make the kind of statement and impact that this incredible set did in 2017. After being added to our site, this set vaulted to #2 on the All-Time Finest list, carrying a GPA of 8.53. This set, which requires significantly more cards than the Basic set due to the numerous variations found in Series 1 (490 versus 407), packs a serious wallop. This yearís inductee is the only one in Registry history to have both a PSA 10 Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays in the same set. In terms of sheer monetary value, this is the most valuable 1952 Topps set registered on the site. For now, the collection continues to improve as it seeks to dethrone our longstanding leader in overall GPA. In addition to being named Best Rookie Set of the Year, this set joins elite company in our Hall of Fame."

https://www.psacard.com/PSASetRegistry/awardshalloffame
Very cool!

Thanks for sharing, Swarmee!
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Old 07-05-2017, 07:32 PM
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That is insane.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:06 AM
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A truly amazing project still in the making

I wonder if PSA will ever amend it's master set composition to include 2 Mantles, Robinsons and Thompsons.
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A truly amazing project still in the making

I wonder if PSA will ever amend it's master set composition to include 2 Mantles, Robinsons and Thompsons.
And a trimmed Wagner!! LMAO
I should also say in fairness, I think PSA does a very good job overall. No, I wasn't paid to say that. But if anyone wants to send me money, no strings attached, I will gladly accept it.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:13 PM
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A truly amazing project still in the making

I wonder if PSA will ever amend it's master set composition to include 2 Mantles, Robinsons and Thompsons.
I doubt it. I don't think the big registry folks are interested in purchasing two of each in high grade and, until they do, I don't think the variation is getting recognized.
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Old 07-07-2017, 12:04 PM
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I suppose there are those that would insist, "no 1952 Topps Baseball set is complete without BOTH versions of Mantle, Campanella, and Thomson". This is absolute nonsense. I can appreciate a stark variation, but come on. Some collectors really get into "the missing dot", "the stitches running the other way on the baseball on the backside", or the black line circumventing the team logo box. If they could only disappear, and then be allowed to listen to what other collectors think of them, or worse, what the general public would assess such a fanatic----a psychotic collector masochist!

You have to use some common sense. However, the older I get, I find common sense becoming more uncommon.

Keep in mind. The cards were made in 1952. It took until around 1980 until collectors discovered the minuscule variations----roughly 28 years............

Just my nickel pack's worth.

My very best to you, Chris. I miss your posts, bro. Hope all is well for you.

I'm rather certain Mr. Kendrick will not be badgered into buying the second threesome. I wish someone would tell him about my book.

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Old 07-07-2017, 12:26 PM
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The differences between the two Mantles are pretty significant in my opinion, although I don't have one as to the registry. There is no way those differences were not apparent from the beginning, particularly the line either present or missing in the box, but also the stars and the alignment of the back. The missing pixels, maybe not so much.
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There is no way those differences were not apparent from the beginning,
Then why did it take 28 years before the differences, and the fact the three were double-printed, become general knowledge to the hobby? I well remember reading about the occasion in 1980.

Tongue in cheek, perhaps those who finally put the knowledge into the spotlight of the hobby print media wanted to "want" until they had finally gotten both versions of the three.

If this is indeed true, I can well understand and relate to their hesitance. These men were collectors first and foremost, and hobby reporters second!

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Old 07-07-2017, 12:42 PM
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I don't believe people didn't recognize the differences before 1980. They are quite noticeable. Maybe there was no formal differentiation, but that's not the same thing.
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I think Chris is right, the cost involved works against those 3.

They are true variations in my mind, with front and back differences. They were not intentional or corrected errors, but did the result from the decision to double print them with resulting differences

And the differences are no less distinctive than the 58 Herer or 57 Bakep or the 52 Campos Black Star, or 61 Fairly green smudge, Brian, all of which PSA has recognized. You mentioned Campanella. There is a recurring print defect on some of his cards, as well as several others in that set ( Snider is another). But the Mantle, Thompson and Robinson differences are not print defects.

I am not a registry guy, just a set collector. I think SCD did list them, so I had to have them
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Old 07-07-2017, 02:22 PM
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I think all minor print var/ slight color tint/missing dot kind of stuff is insane and a waste of money to buy
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Old 07-07-2017, 03:20 PM
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But if you pursue master sets, there is not much choice, other than choosing to use the venue that has the smallest list of them as your guidepost. I use SCD, Beckett and The Registry.

Then there are all those back color differences , the ones in the 52 and 54 sets being some of the toughest. Agree it is best to collect straight sets if that works for you
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My very best to you, Chris. I miss your posts, bro. Hope all is well for you.


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Thanks Brian! We will have to agree to disagree on this one. Hope all is well for you also.
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I don't believe people didn't recognize the differences before 1980. They are quite noticeable. Maybe there was no formal differentiation, but that's not the same thing.
I have to think you're right about that. After all, what were '52 Topps Mantles selling for in the late '70's - early '80's - a couple hundred bucks in nice condition? Experienced dealers would have known about the variation, but not made a big deal of it, as do all today. Not sure, but I think the many card variations in other 1950's sets that are well known today were also familiar to veteran dealers and collectors in the past, but not considered important enough to write about - until relatively recently.
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If this set went to auction, what do you think it would fetch?
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Agree it is best to collect straight sets if that works for you
But that would be like a t206 "set" missing Wagner!


Since t206s aren't numbered I guess it doesn't matter
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In post war I would liken missing the Wagner in the t206 set to missing the Roberts, Stankey and Konstanty cards in the Topps 1951 Current All Stars. Not variations but cards that exist in extremely low numbers as compared to other cards in the set,

You can complete a 52 set with one Mantle, Robinson and Thompson, but do you
need a Wagner to have a complete t206 set, and a Roberts, Konstanty and Stankey to have a complete 1951 Topps current All Star set ? Pretty sure my set will always be short those 3 of 11
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But that would be like a t206 "set" missing Wagner!


Since t206s aren't numbered I guess it doesn't matter
No, it would be like collecting the t206 set without Magie and Doyle N.Y. Nat'l. Jefferson Burdick and others didn't consider both Magee's necessary for the set. Sweeney no b was removed from the checklist and other printing errors were never added. Complete sets are one of every player. Master sets are every variation or error.
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Anyone else notice silver-spoon won for his '57 football master set. congrats to him. I've missed his rants.
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