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Old 11-13-2013, 10:32 AM
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The 1968 Topps set is one I feel everyone has overlooked. IT was the FIRST to feature both AFL and NFL Players

Actually, it wasn't. As far as major sets go, both the 1961 Fleer and Topps set had NFL and AFL players. I do like the 1968's quite a bit though. The cards are relatively clean, and they are quite affordable. Still can't figure out how there is no Deacon Jones in the 1968 set. He was coming off of a 26 sack season and had the most dominate two year stretch of quarterback pressures in the history of the NFL in 1967 and 1968. How could they not include the Deacon?
It is a nice, clean set and I agree, quite affordable.

I did not realize Deacon Jones is not in the 1968 set. It is as puzzling as not including Jack Kemp in the 1969 set. The Bills were by that time a bottom of the barrel team in the AFL, but Kemp was their most recognized player. If my memory serves me correctly, the Bills were the only team not to have a card of a quarterback in the 1969 set. If there were any other teams that did not, it would only be a few total.
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Old 11-13-2013, 12:18 PM
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Sam

Thanks for the correction.

I should have clarified. The 68 set was the first to return to featuring both NFL/AFL players after the segregation of the Mid-Sixties Philly and Topps Sets.

Yes the absence of Deacon Jones is puzzling, but not an uncommon thing in many Topps Sets. The 72 Topps set also features some odd omissions from its set. Namely: Leroy Jordan, Mel Renfro and Chuck Howley. All would return in the 1971 Set.

While I do have much of the 68 set I just haven't been able to run across the nice cards like I did with the 69 set. My good pal(board member) Mike Tavenner supplied me with many high grade beauties! Others I had to break from slabs. Still short the right Csonka Card.

Erik I admire your enthusiasim for the cards. In today's hobby more focus seems to be on the labels and money, more so than the cards themselves.

John Hadl was one of the great QB's of the AFL. Not your typical square jawed stud quarterback though was he! LOL Maybe that's why they made him wear #21. But he sure got the job done!

I now present to you............ #21!





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Old 11-13-2013, 01:54 PM
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Thanks John! Hadl sure had a some great targets to throw to namely Lance Alworth as well as Gary Garrison. Plus, add Keith Lincoln to the mix and you just can''t go wrong.

Now, I am not as OCD as you are John when it comes to the condition of my cards but totally respect and understand your quest for the very best. I would not mind upgrading some of my cards from the 69 set, namely Lamonica, Leroy Kelly, Butkus and Sayers. And, in due time, I will.

I poured over those cards when my future brother in-law gave them to me years ago. I probably over handled the cards but so what, I loved it and have no regrets.

Erik

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Old 11-13-2013, 03:13 PM
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Do you mean the way the combined the AFL and NFL players in the 69 set? The 67 set was AFL only.

I did love the 69 set as it featured both AFL and NFL stars but wondered why Jack Kemp was not in the set.
Yeah, sorry about that. Somehow I wrote of two sets in one sentence. 67 name scrunch, format, and coloring. 69 both leagues, format, and coloring.
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Old 11-13-2013, 03:34 PM
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Yeah, sorry about that. Somehow I wrote of two sets in one sentence. 67 name scrunch, format, and coloring. 69 both leagues, format, and coloring.
No worries.
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Old 11-13-2013, 03:39 PM
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Hadl should be in the HOF.
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Old 11-13-2013, 06:28 PM
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Hadl should be in the HOF.
As much as I liked John Hadl, I am not sure I agree. But, there are several other AFL stars who I believe have been slighted by the HOF including Hadl's teammate, Paul Lowe. Add Otis Taylor and Clem Daniels to the list and I am sure others should be included that I have failed to mention.
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Old 11-14-2013, 05:03 AM
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I would certainly not argue if John Hadl was in the HOF.

He joined the American Football League's San Diego Chargers in 1962. He shared quarterbacking duties until 1966, when he became San Diego's starting quarterback, and averaged over 3,000 yards and 23 touchdowns per (14-game) season for the next four years.

He was the American Football League's leading passer in both 1965 and 1968, and was a four-time AFL All-Star. In 1969, he was selected as the AFL All-Star Game's Most Valuable Player. The other half of the Chargers' potent passing/receiving tandem was Lance Alworth, the first American Football League player to be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Many observers believe that Hadl, who threw most of the passes that Alworth received, also belongs in the Hall, and based on these numbers, he would be. Unfortunately, he spent most of the rest of his career being shuttled from one poorly run franchise to another; first as the solution to, then as the cause of, each team's given predicament.

Before the 1973 season, Hadl was traded to the Los Angeles Rams for defensive end Coy Bacon and running back Bob Thomas. Leading the Rams to the playoffs that year, he was named the National Football Conference Player of the Year. In the following season, after he was beaten out for the starting quarterback position by James Harris, he became the pivotal piece of a trade which is generally recognized as one of the worst in NFL history.[1] The Green Bay Packers, on the insistence of then Head Coach and General Manager Dan Devine, sent the Rams five draft picks; first and second round picks for 1975 and 1976, as well as a third round pick in 1975; for the services of Hadl, a rapidly aging 13 year veteran. He played a total of 22 games with the Packers and threw for 9 touchdowns and 29 interceptions behind a porous offensive line; the team posted a 7-15 record over this span. The trade caused irreparable harm to Hadl's legacy and hastened a decades long fall from glory for the Packer franchise. At the same time, it helped the Rams build a contender, culminating in their defeat by the Pittsburgh Steelers in Super Bowl XIV. In later years, when asked for his thoughts on the infamous deal, Hadl himself expressed the surprise he felt, in 1974, at being sent to Green Bay: "I really didn't believe it... I didn't think anyone would be that desperate."

Despite his unfortunate tenure with Green Bay, and the sad conclusion to his career with an abysmal Houston franchise, Hadl finished with a starting record of 82769 in his professional career. He holds the NFL record for the most tied games (9) by a starting quarterback. Hadl wore #21 for nearly his entire NFL career, aside from his first season with Green Bay when he briefly wore #12. He was the last regular starting quarterback to wear a uniform number greater than #19 before the NFL adopted a rigid uniform numbering system in 1973.

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Old 11-14-2013, 07:47 AM
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Great write up on Hadl there John. I did not realize the horrid trade Dan Devine did to get Hadl to the Packers. Thanks.

I would not mind him in the HOF at all. As I said, there are many other AFL stars who deserve the HOF that are being slighted.
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Old 11-20-2013, 09:35 PM
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I really enjoy the Topps 1962 Football Set with the split pictures.
It's also a challenge to complete it in high grade with the black borders.

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