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Old 02-12-2017, 08:13 AM
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Its hard not to when you are the first person, everytime, to say the prices on highs were a marketing ploy from day one, and they aren't scarce. The whole community, if not 95% of those working on the set, would wholeheartedly disagree. Opinions are fine to have, but this isnt rhe first time you've jumped at the chance to discredit the story and scarcity of the high numbers.
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Old 02-12-2017, 11:48 AM
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As far as being scarce, 1952 Topps high numbers are plentiful as being compared to many regional issues and Topps test issues. I agree that there is a huge demand for them which explains the high prices, but if someone has the money they could easily purchase every card from 311 to 407 in at least PSA 6, many of them in PSA 7 and PSA 8, on eBay today. I counted thirty cards of 1952 Topps Pee Wee Reese available on eBay right now. In comparison, the stuff I am looking for is never available, and when it does pop up once every five years it is scooped up by a whale.
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Old 02-12-2017, 01:10 PM
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As far as being scarce, 1952 Topps high numbers are plentiful as being compared to many regional issues and Topps test issues. I agree that there is a huge demand for them which explains the high prices, but if someone has the money they could easily purchase every card from 311 to 407 in at least PSA 6, many of them in PSA 7 and PSA 8, on eBay today. I counted thirty cards of 1952 Topps Pee Wee Reese available on eBay right now. In comparison, the stuff I am looking for is never available, and when it does pop up once every five years it is scooped up by a whale.
Cliff I agree the 52 hi #s are plentiful in comparison to many other of the lower pop issues you mention. As I have been building this set in PSA 5 or better and am about 80% complete, I have noticed that with many of the highs (and even cards from all series of this set), there are a decent selection available on ebay. However, the reason I find that so many are available are the fixed prices are significantly higher than what the market brings on a similar graded card via auction. For example a centered PSA 4 Reese sold for $566, the least expensive PSA 4 copy available via fixed price is priced at $699.

IMO, there would be far fewer fixed price offerings of these 52 Highs if the listed prices were much more in line with auction results. In other words, the supply is only high because these fixed prices are higher than what the market will bring on these cards. I probably would have finished my set long ago if the fixed price listings were even remotely close to auction prices as I have built my set to this point either via auction wins or by waiting for fixed priced listings to show up at auction type prices.


As far as overall availability, the Reese card has 558 copies graded by PSA (less any resubmits), while most other SP 52 highs have between 400-500 copies graded by PSA.
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Old 02-12-2017, 03:38 PM
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Just watched the vid, which thanks for posting Irv, and which was the first time I've seen or heard Sy really talk about the mechanics of the garbage scow. Maybe there is more to it than I've thought previously and he did dump 1.3 million 52 highs. Or maybe he didn't as I still find it odd Topps actually spent the money on a tug & barge vs a straight up incineration as their MO was cheap, cheap, cheap all the time and why would you not trust an incinerator.

But there's still a boatload (pun intended) of them out there and I definitely think they were produced in roughly the same amounts as the semi-highs originally. Survival percentages are another story.

It's not hard to find them 65 years later, that's for sure. You might not like the pricing but they are out there.

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Old 02-13-2017, 02:03 AM
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I've often wondered if there are any remnants on the ocean floor. Extreme long shot I would guess.
Since it took decades to find the Titanic, I'm guessing the odds of finding intact or remnants of cases of baseball cards would be infinitely smaller.

In addition, the number of people collecting Titanic memorabilia may even exceed the number of people collecting '52 Topps baseball. Given that, more effort would be made in looking for the Titanic... and it took years.
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Berger had been telling the garbage scow story since the 1970s. At least. I tend to believe a consistent eyewitness report over inductive reasoning.
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Old 02-13-2017, 05:28 PM
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Irv, sorry that may have come off as vitriolic which was not my intention. Sy got a lot of stuff wrong over the years, such as as the "taffy" going bad with the 51's, which I'm pretty sure was just PR spin to avoid saying they got shut down by Bowman. Why he continued to weave such tales well beyond the need to do so is beyond me. Most of the hobby lore surrounding the pre-1981 era of Topps is fabricated or hopelessly incorrect.
I'm siding with you, Dave. As someone who is ancient enough to have eaten that "taffy" back in '51, I can testify that it was so hard and impervious to teeth and saliva, it would probably be "edible" - that is, non-rancid - today. Sy's story telling could be an indication that he was prone to fudging (npi) or dramatizing stuff for the amusing effect it might have on listeners. Maybe that was his simple motive.
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Old 02-13-2017, 05:34 PM
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I've often wondered if there are any remnants on the ocean floor. Extreme long shot I would guess.
Sounds like a project that could be pitched to the History Channel...somebody get me John Chatterton's cell...

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Old 02-13-2017, 06:17 PM
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There was a movie I saw that involved trying to prove if the urban legend about a mass landfill dump of thousands of copies of the ET Atari game had actually taken place. It was inconclusive, but the general sense was that it was likely a fiction.
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If anything was dumped, it's long disintegrated.
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