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Old 02-28-2017, 04:37 PM
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You can't believe the number of times that I have asked a dealer if they have any tobacco cards or pre-WW2 cards and they say "no". Then, when I am looking at the cards in their display case I find a couple of 33 Goudeys' or T206's.

Also, it never hurts to go through the dollar boxes or $5-$10 boxes. Sometimes there are some low grade pre-war cards.
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"Are you looking for anything specific?"

"No, just looking."

"Well, let me know if you need any help."

I must hear this or some close variant on it 50x a day at the National. I've always wanted to respond with: "No, I think I will just stand there with my thumb up my butt instead, waiting for a voice inside my head to answer my question."
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Old 02-28-2017, 09:50 PM
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I would guess only a very very small percentage of collectors would know that the WL McCormisk has any value. That is one advantage of being an oddball error collector. Some very rare cards can be found in bargain bins.
I would think a dealer would be more astute in regards to recognizing publicized variations such as this one....the earliest price guide I found this variation listed in was a 1990 Baseball Cards Magazine price guide, and it is listed in all of the Beckett guides I have since the late 90s. A PSA 6 recently sold on ebay for $549.

None of this matters if this was a legit (re)pack versus a pack put together by some manipulative dealer.
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A few years ago, I was in a card shop and found several nice (NM) raw 1963 Topps BB cards that I wanted to buy.

I went up to the shop owner to pay for the cards. Instead of pulling out a Beckett mag or SCD catalog to price out the cards at NM values, he gets a SMR guide out and prices the raw cards out as if they were graded PSA 7 or PSA 8.

I ended up getting the cards anyway, but that was the first (and last) time I ever went into his establishment.
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none of these really bother me . BUT what makes me totally lose all interest in a dealer and card anything . Is when you walk in to a show find a card, nice table or whatever catches your eye. Then the dealer acts like you just stumbled in to a card show and decided to buy cards you know nothing about.

" see this it's a 1987 Barry Bonds rookie! " he's the homerun king and you could have it for 14 bucks !

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" this is a 1963 topps Willie Mays I'm asking $150( it's a beater x3)

This is when I will on my do not buy list. I don't know if they are hoping for some random idiot or just testing me. But I feel offended by this. Most other things do roll of my back.
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The Christmas racks are just repackaged stuff and even the older ones aren't great for condition. Usually way off center but otherwise nice. I bought one years ago just to have one, either a 58 or 59. It has a high number on the back, so it's not entirely junk. They bring some crazy prices though.

Real rack packs are entirely different.

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Dealers with no prices on anything - more often than not it won't make me stop and ask, it'll make me keep walking.

The now rare overly attentive dealer. You know those guys- "Oh! an actual customer. Look at these 88 Donruss, they're about to become huge, and lemme look, I have some 87s around here too. Old cards you say? I have these 65 topps, they're near mint except for the creases and juice stains. Tobacco cards?! you mean like those redmen things? they're not in Beckett, and there aren't any nice screwdowns for them so I never bothered........"

Most of the rest has been covered already.

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Those of you who've dealt with me at shows gimme some feedback. This is a fine line as I hear all the time "I hate when dealers just sit there and ignore me until I ask a question." Is there a "perfect" approach?
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"Are you looking for anything specific?"

"No, just looking."

"Well, let me know if you need any help."

I must hear this or some close variant on it 50x a day at the National. I've always wanted to respond with: "No, I think I will just stand there with my thumb up my butt instead, waiting for a voice inside my head to answer my question."
That's a little harsh - says a dealer who has definitely said this. It's just polite nothing, the little noises we make to help the world go 'round.

So my two responses in a row are on a similar issue. Let's have a look from the dealer's perspective. Do you know how many times I've asked someone if they're looking for something specific and they say "no" while standing in front of a showcase full of 60's and 70's rookies. Then they walk down my table and look into another case and say something like "Oh, you have 1948 Bowman Football? I need a ____________" There have also been times when I'm told "No, just looking" and something happens that starts a conversation and finally after we've talked he admits he's looking for VG 1953 Bowman Color commons and he has his list with him. So disingenuous noises happen on both sides of the table. I'm not a bitter person by nature, so I just chalk it up to life, the universe, and everything. But that may be the reason some dealers try harder to engage the people on the other side of the table.
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I've learned two things from going to shows. Many, not all, buyers think they're going to try to be ripped off, which creates animosity and paranoia. Many dealers think buyers want to purchase their stuff for nothing badgering them with lower offers. Being knowledgeable on both sides is the key. If I don't like a price or what a person says I just smile and walk away, can't let it bother me.
The psychology of people Amazes me ! I wish more people could just have fun and stop worrying about money. Oh well it's still very fun :-) to me.

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Those of you who've dealt with me at shows gimme some feedback. This is a fine line as I hear all the time "I hate when dealers just sit there and ignore me until I ask a question." Is there a "perfect" approach?
Really don't know what needs to be said other than "Let me know if I can help you, or if there is something specific you are looking for." Which is what most people say.

Sometimes I stop at table to check something interesting out -- say football cards -- knowing full well I am not buying any. Just something caught my eye. When I tell the seller I don't need help or am not interested in anything, what I'm acutually saying is "no need to waste time on me . . . I'm not buying anything."

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For those of you who think shows are nothing but guys trying to rip you off at ridiculous prices . . .well, yeah, there is some of that, but I've had the exact opposite experience. I walked into the last Philly show and found a high grade Gehrig card at a fair price. A card I had been looking for for a while. Was the first table I walked up to and hadn't been in the room 5 minutes. Made my one big purchase for the day. Particularly at the big shows, the dealers I've encountered are a lot more sophisticated and professional, and informed, than some of the guys who set up at the VFW Hall.

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