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Old 03-13-2017, 08:50 PM
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Canadian company with a decent reputation. they exist mainly because of the crazy expense of sending expensive packages across national borders.
At last years Toronto Spring Expo, BMW was there as soon as you walked in the front door.
He had a huge amount of cards for sale, including many high end 52 Topps cards all graded by KSA?

I found this odd, especially since they are from Wisconsin, but thought maybe sending them north was cheaper than sending somewhere in their own Country?

I also thought, if he/they do the T.O. show frequently, then maybe they have cards set aside specially for the Expo?
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Canadian company with a decent reputation. they exist mainly because of the crazy expense of sending expensive packages across national borders.
Never knew that was their MO.....
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Old 03-18-2017, 06:32 PM
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Never knew that was their MO.....
They have been around for quite some time so I am not sure if that is the only reason they are in business?

From the reading/research I have done, they are generally good at grading hockey but are lacking in their baseball skills.

Personally, I try to avoid purchasing KSA graded cards. Seeing cards slabbed by KSA and the grades they hand out, on vintage anyways, makes me uncomfortable.

Not sure how long they have been doing it, but some recent 52 Topps cards I seen graded by KSA, looked like they were graded by PSA as their logo was/is very close to what PSA's looks like.
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Old 03-18-2017, 06:49 PM
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An interesting post but poses more questions than answers? The first poster states that he broke out the KSA holders on the chance of upgrading, which didnt go as expected, that BMW showed up to a Toronto show with a whackload of them anyway, (does that mean he gets good KSA grades so he doesnt even bother bringing his SGC stuff across the border? I don't know ,,,lol)

and then maybe the market has de-volved (not evolved) to the point where we are breaking out slabbed cards on the hope of getting 1 higher grade at the next grading service, but how lucrative can that be if its not a Hof'er? I dont know. I realize there were folks wanted to make a buck from buying raw to getting it graded.It s human nature.

Now its trying to get the 4 to a 4.5 'if' we change the holder.
Its the same card it was the day before it got entombed! Do you really want $200 commons in slabs that should be $50 or less. thats the question I would ask.
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Old 03-19-2017, 04:11 AM
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The results speak for themselves, cracking out cards carries some risk, but finding a good "raw" card is likely the best route to go..KSA graded cards are definitely not worth "cracking out of their holders"..Do so at your own peril.
My experience with Beckett is the same - Crack at your own peril. Usually 1 full grade less as evidenced by 3 of your 4 subs.
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:14 AM
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I am not much of a fan of the card grading system. I think that some times the grading can be quite arbitrary. For example......years ago I acquired this Jennings card
which had been graded SGC A. It "bugged" me that SGC had not given it a numerical grade, so recently I cracked it open and submitted it back to SGC. And this time,
SGC graded it an SGC 60.

Hey, I'm not complaining. I like the Ex grade (which, in my opinion this card should have been graded initially).







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Old 03-19-2017, 10:13 AM
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Default I am OK with all the stuff here and it reminds me...

... Grading companies are providing an opinion. That is all. At one particular time somebody who has some training and experience looking at cards thought that the card was in a certain condition... I was just looking at a PSA 9 that I have that has a bent corner... ughh.... It happens... both ways.... It doesn't really bother me unless it is terribly obvious... but even that it understandable with the law of averages... Just my 2 cents... I agree that the 1911 AB should have gotten a numerical grade if the size measures up...

Unless high end computers were doing the work... we will always have these discrepancies....
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From the reading/research I have done, they are generally good at grading hockey but are lacking in their baseball skills.
This makes no sense. Do rounded corners, creases, and sizing appear different on hockey cards than baseball cards?

How are they on football cards? Do they struggle to see condition issues on football cards, but not on hockey cards?

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I may be in the minority, but I think the "A" grade was the correct grade on the Jennings. It looks really skinny from left to right.
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ABs are all skinny L/R , I think it looks good too.
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