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Old 03-19-2017, 06:26 AM
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Are you sure it just wasn't a reholder?
Not a reholder. Reholders keep the original Cert number. This one was graded recently.
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1910-11 Sporting Life - M116 #DOBU - Donie Bush [SGC*10]
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Here's another interesting one for the discussion. What would PSA grade this card? It has two typed letters on the front of card, but very minor wear otherwise. Maybe a 6(MK) or a 5(MK)? Which grade is more accurate for the value of this card? 1 or 3 or 4.

And the graders have always taken off for centering/miscut issues because perfect cards (gem, pristine) shouldn't be off-center or hard to look at. They're supposed to be visually appealing; and people don't pay similar amounts for cards with centering flaws that are raw, do they?
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:20 AM
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Not a reholder. Reholders keep the original Cert number. This one was graded recently.
Well, that surprises the h*ll out of me!

Just when you think you have a pretty good handle on grading, a card like this comes along and throws everything you have learned out the window.

I've pegged most of my cards between 3-4, some are 2's and some are 5's, but now, after seeing that card, I think most of mine could easily jump a grade or two, maybe even 3 grades?

I know it is likely an error, or there is something that I am obviously not seeing, so I am not getting my hopes up, but it sure would be nice to know that I have been undergrading my cards all along.
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:53 AM
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SGC is fine.
Card is too off center for your taste, so don't buy it.

PSA is fine.
They make mistakes too.

BGS is fine.
see above
Yet, this doesn't stop the seller from trying to get psa 7 money for a card that should sell for half that. Lots of buyers who fall for the number on the label, rather than looking at the card itself.
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Old 03-19-2017, 09:34 AM
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Yet, this doesn't stop the seller from trying to get psa 7 money for a card that should sell for half that. Lots of buyers who fall for the number on the label, rather than looking at the card itself.
So what your issue with the card, the fact that it may be improperly graded or that the seller is asking what you feel is too much? Two different issues, the second one not really an issue at all, as a seller is free to ask whatever they want.
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Yet, this doesn't stop the seller from trying to get psa 7 money for a card that should sell for half that. Lots of buyers who fall for the number on the label, rather than looking at the card itself.
I challenge you to find me the person who doesn't overvalue their own cards to the same degree that they undervalue the cards of others. I think it is human nature. I am definitely guilty of this. That said, I agree with your point. The grade should be a factor in the price and not the be all end all. I still much prefer buying raw cards rather than graded like I have since my youth - though I will buy a graded card at a reasonable auction or BIN price once in a while. But a nice centered 5 can beat the look of a higher graded, off center card.
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Old 03-19-2017, 07:07 PM
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Not a reholder. Reholders keep the original Cert number. This one was graded recently.
Swarmee, or anyone else, can you tell me, or tell me how to find out myself, if this is a new submission or a reholder?

I know it is only a 4 but that grade surprises me as well, especially considering the condition of the back. I wouldn't think any higher than a 3 for this card, but maybe I am being too critical?
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Recently graded. Would it have been a 6(ST) otherwise? I think it's overgraded too.
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:06 PM
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Recently graded. Would it have been a 6(ST) otherwise? I think it's overgraded too.
If it were a 2 or 3 and an older graded/slabbed card, I could be somewhat forgiving/understanding, but knowing this is a recently graded/slabbed card, I can only think PSA is really screwing up bad lately, or they have lowered their standards again?
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