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Old 03-19-2017, 08:10 PM
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This is inexcusable:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Topps-B...EAAOSwSlBYsHqP

And people wonder why SGC brings so much less $$$. You can't operate like that.
Well said... PSA vs. SGC, not even close....
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Old 03-19-2017, 08:22 PM
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Well said... PSA vs. SGC, not even close....
I'll say! I'd take that much older graded SGC 7 over that much newer/recent graded PSA 7 McCosky anyday.
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Can someone explain to me what in heck the reasoning is behind SGC's numerical grading system??

With PSA, a 7 is a 7 out of 10. Pretty simple and extremely straightforward. But an SGC 60 is only a 5? Even though 60 is higher than 50? An SGC 84 is a 7? Even though 84 is higher than 70? An SGC 98 is a 10?????? Why not an SGC 100 for that?????? Or, to follow their logic, a card rating a 10 should be something like SGC 115, right??? It makes no sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know they have their 'weird' number on top with the 'real' number below it these days (and probably have had it there for quite some time), but what in high heck is their numbering system all about?????????????????
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Can someone explain to me what in heck the reasoning is behind SGC's numerical grading system??

With PSA, a 7 is a 7 out of 10. Pretty simple and extremely straightforward. But an SGC 60 is only a 5? Even though 60 is higher than 50? An SGC 84 is a 7? Even though 84 is higher than 70? An SGC 98 is a 10?????? Why not an SGC 100 for that?????? Or, to follow their logic, a card rating a 10 should be something like SGC 115, right??? It makes no sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know they have their 'weird' number on top with the 'real' number below it these days (and probably have had it there for quite some time), but what in high heck is their numbering system all about?????????????????
http://www.sgccard.com/GradingScale.aspx
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I think SGC's grading system is more of a percentage of mintness, rather than a 10 point scale with half grades. So a NM card is 84% mint, while a gem mint card is 98% mint, but a pristine card is 100% mint. At least that's how it seems to me.
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Can someone explain to me what in heck the reasoning is behind SGC's numerical grading system??

With PSA, a 7 is a 7 out of 10. Pretty simple and extremely straightforward. But an SGC 60 is only a 5? Even though 60 is higher than 50? An SGC 84 is a 7? Even though 84 is higher than 70? An SGC 98 is a 10?????? Why not an SGC 100 for that?????? Or, to follow their logic, a card rating a 10 should be something like SGC 115, right??? It makes no sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know they have their 'weird' number on top with the 'real' number below it these days (and probably have had it there for quite some time), but what in high heck is their numbering system all about?????????????????
I think a big reason is to have something of significance that is different from PSA. From a legal standpoint, I'd guess there was some issue with having the exact same 1-10 grading system as a new niche market entrant against the biggest, most established market competitor. Beckett also differentiated their product with a grade breakdown; I'm sure this is no coincidence. But, I'm not a lawyer, either. Just an educated guess.

However, I also remember reading somewhere that part of the rationale was the recognition that half point grading (and perhaps in the future, even smaller incremental grading) was inevitable. A 'better than average' 5 that could almost be a 6 can be 5.5! So, they set their scale 'wider' so to speak to be able to better distinguish between cards of different caliber within the grade. I believe PSA may have been first in half point grading but SGC was not far behind at all. And when PSA start giving out tenth of a point grades, SGC will have a complete, 1-100 scale to match. In line with that differentiation, SGC 98 is a card that is by all reasonable standards (read PSA and Beckett) a '10.' However, SGC reserves the 100 PRISTINE grade for that '10' that is literally flawless in every sense that a card can be. PSA can't really distinguish their 10's even though subtle differences among 10's must exist.

I think SGC's holder looks MUCH nicer than the PSA holder. Go look up your favorite card on ebay, sort by highest price and be objective on two similar graded cards. Which holder makes the card look better? Since I think it's clearly SGC and I only buy and keep, when I get cards graded they're for me and I want them to look their best.

All three companies miss. All three companies have tried to do things to innovate - some initiatives being better than others. However, what no one can beat PSA in is longevity and resale value and they're not unrelated. However, I think SGC does a great job every step of the way.
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I think a big reason is to have something of significance that is different from PSA. From a legal standpoint, I'd guess there was some issue with having the exact same 1-10 grading system as a new niche market entrant against the biggest, most established market competitor. Beckett also differentiated their product with a grade breakdown; I'm sure this is no coincidence. But, I'm not a lawyer, either. Just an educated guess.

However, I also remember reading somewhere that part of the rationale was the recognition that half point grading (and perhaps in the future, even smaller incremental grading) was inevitable. A 'better than average' 5 that could almost be a 6 can be 5.5! So, they set their scale 'wider' so to speak to be able to better distinguish between cards of different caliber within the grade. I believe PSA may have been first in half point grading but SGC was not far behind at all. And when PSA start giving out tenth of a point grades, SGC will have a complete, 1-100 scale to match. In line with that differentiation, SGC 98 is a card that is by all reasonable standards (read PSA and Beckett) a '10.' However, SGC reserves the 100 PRISTINE grade for that '10' that is literally flawless in every sense that a card can be. PSA can't really distinguish their 10's even though subtle differences among 10's must exist.

I think SGC's holder looks MUCH nicer than the PSA holder. Go look up your favorite card on ebay, sort by highest price and be objective on two similar graded cards. Which holder makes the card look better? Since I think it's clearly SGC and I only buy and keep, when I get cards graded they're for me and I want them to look their best.

All three companies miss. All three companies have tried to do things to innovate - some initiatives being better than others. However, what no one can beat PSA in is longevity and resale value and they're not unrelated. However, I think SGC does a great job every step of the way.
Great analogy, Tim.
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This is inexcusable:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Topps-B...EAAOSwSlBYsHqP

And people wonder why SGC brings so much less $$$. You can't operate like that.
It's not that bad...lol

There's a PSA 6 with similar centering.


I'm a fan of their grading consistency and have always thought they were just as good as PSA when it pertains to vintage pieces.
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