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Old 07-07-2018, 05:45 PM
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Default More m101-4/5 minutiae

Felix Mendelsohn changed seven photos from m101-5 to m101-4, so as to correct the captioned subjects. To my knowledge, only one of the m101-5 players has remained unidentified(although I reserve judgment on Strunk)– the player who is supposed to be Ray Fisher. Many checklists do not recognize that there are two different players shown, but on every other card where Mendelsohn changed the photo he corrected an error. Also, while the m101-5 shot partially obscures the subject’s face, so does its replacement, so I doubt Mendelsohn made the change simply looking for a better picture. Here are the two cards, with m101-5 on the left:

I believe that the first photo depicts Russ Ford, who was Fisher’s New York teammate in 1910. That was the only season when both played for New York where the team would have worn dark hats and plain uniforms. Although the below enlargement of the m101-5 card is blurry, it sure looks like me to be Ford, whose black and white photo and t205 card are shown for comparison.

I am willing to listen to alternative explanations, but for now am satisfied with the ID---I know how this has kept so many of you up nights
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Todd,
I think you’re right based on those photos. Looks like Russ Ford. Nice work!

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When I saw your blown up scan, I thought Russ Ford immediately as well. Nice work!
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Thanks for sharing your research, Todd. Well done.
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Definitely looks like Ford to me...nice research. By the way, what is the deal with the Strunk card that you hinted at?

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Old 07-09-2018, 12:09 AM
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Good to know I'm not alone on this ID. Brian, the Strunk card in question is the m101-5, shown here on the left and next to the m101-4 corrected photo. Many believe it to depict Olaf Henriksen, but I am not yet fully convinced. I have no alternatives, but something just looks a skosh off to me.
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Todd,
Who are the seven players with changed photos?
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Andy,

The seven corrected photos depict:

1) Ray Fisher (m101-5 shows Ford)
2) Ed Murphy (m101-5 shows Danny Murphy)
3) Roger Peckinpaugh (m101-5 shows Gavvy Cravath)
4) Bob Shawkey (m101-5 shows Stuffy McInnis)
5) Amos Strunk (m101-5 shows Henriksen?)
6) Oscar Stanage (m101-5 shows Boss Schmidt) and
7) Clarence Walker (m101-5 shows Ernie Walker)
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Not sure if this adds, is found now to be incorrect, or helps validate anything, but I was going through some early Trader Speaks for sale and saw this article. I am hungry and going to lunch but thought I would post it on my way out of the door. Good stuff, Todd et al..This is from The Trader Speaks May 1972...and a letter I had no idea i had until a few minutes ago ....stuck in the copy.



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Wow, thanks Leon. There’s a lot to unpack there, but I do see where Buck Barker notes the seven photo changes, even though he incorrectly states they represent different photos of the same player.

He should not feel bad about not wandering into the F&B store as a four year-old in the Fall of 1915, as the cards would not have been there at that time anyway. I feel a bit sad he regrets that his parents found him–must have been a tough childhood

Curiously, Barker reports that as of 1971, the M101-4 and M101-5 cards had no set identification and were blank-backed. He states that these were not checklisted until Orem did so in the 1950s. He does quote an ad from TSN in October 1916, but stumbles in his logic, for he says this stood as “proof” that m101-5 was issued in 1916– the numbers of the players available in the ad match up with the same numbers from m101-5--yet elsewhere he claims that m101-5 was issued in 1915 and m101-4 the following year. In any event, I still find it odd that the two Mendelsohn-issued cards with advertising that are now most commonly found–Sporting New and Famous & Barr, were either unknown or just discovered as of 1971, while some of the others had been known for more than a decade (three decades in the case of Standard Biscuit).

Barker says it’s a “funny thing” that Sporting News ignored the Federal League but used photos of players in their Fed uniforms, many of whom he identifies. What I find “funny” (in the peculiar sense) is that if Barker would have been paying attention, he would have noticed that several of these players were captioned with teams they did not join until 1916–after the Fed league folded and the reason why there were no Fed players–and that therefore there was no set from 1915 as he had claimed.

There are a couple more nuggets in this article, and I appreciate your finding and posting it.
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