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Old 09-15-2014, 06:09 PM
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Default Joe Jackson Never Served In The U.S. Army

Joe Jackson never served in the U.S. Army or ANY other branch of service for THIS or any other country. Let me clarify that a bit, the man we know as Shoeless Joe Jackson NEVER served in the military, granted, there were probably more than a few "Joe Jackson's" that served this great country, but the fellow from South Carolina with incredible baseball skills was not one of them. The order to Fight or Go to Work In Support of the War was given in 1918 and Joe Jackson was ordered to report to Greenville, SC, (his local draft board), which he did and he was granted an exemption due to he was the sole support for his mother, brothers and sisters and his wife Katie (Joe never was listed as a Class One in the draft due to his sole provider status). That meant Joe would need to go to work in support of the war effort, which he did in May of 1918. He went to work for the Harlan and Hollingsworth Shipbuilders in Wilmington, DE (very well documented I might add). He worked in the shipyards and played baseball for the company team (see the team photo here: http://www.blackbetsy.com/imagefarm/...-1918-auto.jpg). Joe is 9th man from left standing. He was not a slacker (see article about him: http://www.blackbetsy.com/imagefarm/...o_date-850.jpg). By all accounts he was back in Savannah, GA by December of 1918 and possibly getting ready to make his return to the big leagues for the 1919 season. Unless someone / anyone can bring me IRON CLAD provenance on this photo, I'm simply gonna have to cry BULLS***. Bottom line folks, it ain't Shoeless Joe Jackson.

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Old 09-15-2014, 06:19 PM
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LOL Huggins and Scott even lists "Bump on chin and nose are a match".

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Old 09-15-2014, 06:29 PM
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Default Wishful thinking

The OP seems to have a terminal case of "wishful thinking". Hoping that items of a generic sort are actually associated with big names (teams or players). I wish the OP best of luck but it is getting a tad tiresome:

- "Schalk" Sox pants - generic any team pants
- Crescent glove - softball glove
- Boston Americans photo.....not
- Amos R. Photo....not
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:37 PM
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Default Getting the Record Straight Shoeless Joe Jackson Military service

DAVE, JOE SERVED THE US GOVERNMENT THROUGH HIS WORK BUILDING BATTLESHIP. THAT IS DOCUMENTED AND IS FACT. ANOTHER FACT IS HE PLAYED BASEBALL IN THE SUMMER OF 1918 IN THE hastily assembled factory circuit, the Bethlehem Steel League AND NOT IN THE MAJOR LEAGUE FOR THE WHITE SOX. THE BASEBALL SEASON ENDED IN OCTOBER 1918 AND JACKSON DIDN'T RETURN TO BUILDING BATTLESHIPS BUT DID TOUR MILITARY BASES ON THE EAST COAST. IT'S NO WONDER THIS PHOTO OF JOE JACKSON EXIST. IT'S HIM IN THE PHOTO AND THE PHOTO MATCH IS FROM JACKSON IN WHITE SOX UNIFORM IN 1918 SPRING TRAINING. IT'S SHOELESS JOE JACKSON IN THE PANORAMIC MILITARY PHOTOGRAPH. HOW AND WHY HE'S AT FORT MEADE, MD ON DECEMBER 4, DOESN'T DISPUTE THE FACT THAT HE IS THE ONE IN THE PHOTO.
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:40 PM
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This is weird. The OP links to a SABR bio of Jackson, but even this reference refutes his claim about Jackson.

From the linked SABR reference

"The White Sox were rocked by the entry of the United States into World War I. Several Chicago players enlisted in the military, while others were drafted in the early months of 1918. Joe, as a married man, was granted a deferment by his hometown draft board in Greenville, South Carolina, but after Jackson played 17 games with the White Sox the board reversed its decision and ordered him to report for induction. Instead, Jackson found employment at a Delaware shipyard, where he helped build battleships and played ball in a hastily assembled factory circuit, the Bethlehem Steel League. Jackson was the first prominent player to avoid the draft by opting for war work, for which he was severely criticized in the sporting press, especially in Chicago. He won the factory league batting title with a .371 average, but the controversy permanently damaged his relationships with the Chicago sportswriters."

Notice, it doesn't say he worked for or was a member of the Army or Armed Forces. It states that instead of the military, he got a job at a Delaware shipyard.

Seems pretty clear that he was not in the military, so he wouldn't be in that photo.
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The SHOUTING isn't very convincing, either...
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LOL Huggins and Scott even lists "Bump on chin and nose are a match".
...and none of it is a match. I have a mole on my chin, but that doesn't make my chin a match with someone else who has a mole on theirs.

We have had so many of these "I wish this was [insert famous baseball player name here]" threads that none of it generally surprises me, but the auction houses should know better. I've never understood why the big auction houses don't hire someone like one of us, to simply go over items before they end up in their catalog (online or hard-copy), and throw up a red flag for things like this. It's not just H&S - you see these kind of things from most of the AH's.
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Jaw doesn't look close to me.
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...and none of it is a match. I have a mole on my chin, but that doesn't make my chin a match with someone else who has a mole on theirs.

We have had so many of these "I wish this was [insert famous baseball player name here]" threads that none of it generally surprises me, but the auction houses should know better. I've never understood why the big auction houses don't hire someone like one of us, to simply go over items before they end up in their catalog (online or hard-copy), and throw up a red flag for things like this. It's not just H&S - you see these kind of things from most of the AH's.
Agreed.
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:52 PM
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Default Getting the Record Straight Shoeless Joe Jackson Military service

Much research went into this photograph. Other photos were used. 1917, 1918 and 1919 photos were matched with this one. Bump on chin, exact on all photos matched to this photo. Nose and eyebrows are a match. Similar side burns and shape of face. Answering your question on his service in the military. I ask you a question: Joe jackson started the season playing ball for the chicago white sox, . After 17 games he decided to take a less paying job for the us government building battleships that he was under qualified to do so. Would you not call this military service that he was instructed to do? It certainly was not voluntary. I would call this as service for the us military during ww i! Wouldn't you?

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