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Old 09-14-2005, 09:31 AM
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Posted By: David Davis

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I'm looking for any info on the card below. It is clearly an Old Judge card that has been trimmed and mounted to this Queens Cup All Tobacco mounting. Manufacturer is M.Hirsch. Also, I have seen this card only with his signature in white above where his name has been printed. Does anyone know if this is also unique?

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Old 09-14-2005, 01:20 PM
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

The main mount for the card is from the N611 actresses series. Does anyone else think that maybe, just maybe someone happened to affix an N172 picture to the N611 mount?

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Old 09-14-2005, 01:48 PM
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Posted By: Kevin Cummings

Fred:

I think you hit the nail on the head and the card was trimmed to fit nicely and neatly into the box where image of the actress is supposed to be.

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Old 09-14-2005, 02:17 PM
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Posted By: identify7

Whoever put this together sure had an eye for what belongs together. To me, this is better than peanut butter in my chocolate (well maybe not actually better, but nearly so). And he sure had a steady hand with a scissors - you have to look real carefully to imagine that you see the hand cutting.

Also Dave, does "I have seen this card only with his signature in white above where his name has been printed" mean that you have seen another example of this combination?

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Old 09-14-2005, 02:26 PM
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Posted By: Judge Dred (Fred)

My guess is that he's seen this same Old Judge card with the players name, position and team scripted into the picture above where the block text (player name, position and team) is located. It isn't too uncommon to find the same OJ picture distributed with the player name, position and team both in block and script lettering.

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Old 09-14-2005, 02:52 PM
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Posted By: Anonymous

That is correct; the same Herr Old Judge card with the script signature. This is the only example I have with the All Tobacco backing.

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Old 09-14-2005, 03:08 PM
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Posted By: identify7

Well, I have a trimmed and skinned OJ which I was wondering what to do with. Now I know. Thank you.

Edited to add: Just kiddin'

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Old 09-14-2005, 07:52 PM
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Posted By: Joe_G.

Ed Herr was issued 5 poses in 1888 all with the St. Louis Whites. The first pose was re-issued in 1889, showing him with his new Milwaukee team.

My 1888 example with St. Louis is Cartophilic listing 225-1a.


Your 1889 card is 225-1c (225-1b also an 1889 card with Milwaukee but name represented as "J. Herr")

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

I noticed that behind the base in the card pictured first, there is a white square. In the most recent post, that white scuare is missing or its colored black. Is that a variation or just something on one of the cards?

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Old 09-15-2005, 08:46 PM
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Posted By: Joe_G.

Here is the eBay listing:

1887 N172 Old Judge Herr Milwaukees Card unique mount. Card is apparently a skinned OJ that was mounted on the smae back as the N611 Actress series. It's not clear if this was done by someone 120 years ago, or done at the factory, and is just possibly the first example seen. The Herr part itself has a white box in the background that is part of the card; the other variations I have seen do not have this. Whatever the case is, it's still an OJ card.

I feel it is a bit far fetched to suggest the "factory" distributed this card as such with this possibly being the first one to surface. I highly doubt Goodwin & Co. would take one of their Old Judge cards, trim it on all four sides including their advertising on the bottom, skin it, and place on a competing cigarette makers mount.

Lastly, the white box you mention is present on all original St. Louis Whites cards but usually colored in to match the background. My example is colored in although you can still see it if you look carefully.

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