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View Poll Results: Which record will be the hardest to break?
Barry Bonds - 73 HR in one season 2 0.43%
Ty Cobb - .366 Career Batting Average 23 4.98%
Walter Johnson - 110 Career Shutouts 43 9.31%
Joe DiMaggio - 56 Game Hitting Streak 28 6.06%
Cal Ripken, Jr. - 2,632 Consecutive Games Played 40 8.66%
Pete Rose - 4,256 Career Hits 5 1.08%
Nolan Ryan - 5,714 Career Strikeouts 7 1.52%
Cy Young - 511 Career Wins 284 61.47%
New York Giants - 26 Game Unbeaten Streak 0 0%
The record I am thinking of isnt listed here. 30 6.49%
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Old 08-11-2017, 01:56 PM
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Default Cy's record is potentially more vunerable then most think

This may sound crazy but I actually think a potential change in relief pitcher use could put cys record in reach. Bill James has argued that basically the best way to use your best pitcher is basically to look and Andrew Miller and take it one step further - i.e. If it's the bottom of the forth and your up by two and it's 2nd and 3rd with no outs that when you bring in your best pitcher to give you somewhere between 7-9 outs. James argues and I agree that under this ussage a pitcher could easily win 30-35 games a year under the current scoring rules. I realize this would be a big change but at the same time think about how much the relief role has changed over the last 40 years
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Old 08-11-2017, 03:37 PM
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Another to add would be breaking Johnny Vander Meer's record of throwing two consecutive no-hitters.
Agreed.
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Old 08-11-2017, 04:41 PM
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I actually think Cy has two records that will never be broken, his total career losses, and total career complete games. As someone else mentioned, there is a possibility that some pitcher gets close to his career wins total of 511 but, what team would keep sending out a pitcher who loses over 300 games like Cy did? No one will the way the game is played now, especially with the dollars paid to starting pitchers. That person will end up in the bullpen or the minors before ever getting close.

And as for career complete games, didn't Cy pitch something like 749 complete games out of the 815 he started in his career? As someone else pointed out, the way that pitchers are handled today and kept on pitch counts, if a top pitcher has even 2 or 3 complete games a year, that is a big deal. But 749 for an entire career, that will never happen again. Think about it, if a pitcher had 10 complete games pitched a year, it would take them 75 years to equal Cy's record. You have to go back to 2011 and James Shields for the last pitcher to even reach 10 complete games in one season (he had 11), and before that back to 1999 and Randy Johnson with 12 complete games. And even then, Cy's got over 100 more than Pud Galvin who's 2nd on the all time complete game list.

Neither one of these will ever even be approached.

On all these other records, like the hit streak, no-hitters in a row, consecutive games played, those are obtainable even though highly unlikely. Designated hitters don't have to play in the field and could play for a long time if they tried. Pitchers and batters can get hot and go on crazy streaks, even DiMaggio's hit streak can be approached one day. Heck, Altuve might make a run at it in the next couple of years even. The one comment about triples is interesting and very tough also but, that is more a function of the way they build ballparks nowadays. You don't have the huge open expanses from the early playing fields they had at a lot of old ballparks back in the day. They're more like bandboxes now and too small to get around to 3rd on most of the time. Still, I think Cy has the two most impossible to break of all.

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Old 08-11-2017, 05:21 PM
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I voted for Cal Jr., but Bill Bergen's lifetime .170 batting average with over 2500 at bats would be hard to "beat!"
I could beat that easily if only I could find some team dumb enough to let me play long enough to get 2500 AB. I'd probably end up very close to .000 (Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and over what would probably be 7500+ pitches I'd maybe get lucky and hit a handful of them)

Anyone work for a team desperate enough and clever enough to try to promote it for the gate draw? I'll gladly take the MLB minimum...

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I know it's not a record per se, but homering in your first major league at bat will never be 'beaten.' You can't homer twice in your first MLB AB. (Uh oh, I left it wide open for someone to bring up the ole 'he homered in his first AB, but the game was rained out and then he homered in his first AB of the make-up game' scenario.)
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Under the new rules it's possible to have a 2 pitch inning. You could intentionally walk someone without throwing a pitch, get a double play on the next pitch, and then get the next guy out on the first pitch too. Never would have thought a 3 pitch inning could be beaten, but now it could.
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Not the most unbreakable but Bonds 7 MVPs and Clemens 7 Cy Young Awards are going to be very hard to break.
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This may sound crazy but I actually think a potential change in relief pitcher use could put cys record in reach. Bill James has argued that basically the best way to use your best pitcher is basically to look and Andrew Miller and take it one step further - i.e. If it's the bottom of the forth and your up by two and it's 2nd and 3rd with no outs that when you bring in your best pitcher to give you somewhere between 7-9 outs. James argues and I agree that under this ussage a pitcher could easily win 30-35 games a year under the current scoring rules. I realize this would be a big change but at the same time think about how much the relief role has changed over the last 40 years
You've got to be kidding, right??
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In all reality, I don't think any of the records listed in the OP's post will be touched, but Bonds should not be listed IMO....

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Agreed.
Absolutely right about Vander Meer....

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