NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you give an opinion of a person or company your full name needs to be in your post. Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Postwar Sportscard Forums > Postwar Baseball Cards Forum (Pre-1980)

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 07-17-2017, 11:14 AM
bnorth's Avatar
bnorth bnorth is online now
Ben North
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 3,407
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by irv View Post
What do you think, Frank, a 8, 9 or 10?
I believe that would be correctly labeled as a BCCG 7 Very Good.
__________________
T210 Series 3 Ft Worth, looking for low end examples and especially ones with a Y shaped hole punch. I also have some extra T210's for trade.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 07-17-2017, 11:48 AM
irv's Avatar
irv irv is offline
D@le Irv*n
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Ontario, Canada.
Posts: 2,768
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bnorth View Post
I don't think Beckett is going anywhere as they are king with the new shiny cards by a mile.

I have never understood the hate for BCCG cards because as long as you can read you should be OK. The grade is clearly printed on the label in big letters.
I have learned a lot since I joined this forum, and I still, admittedly, have a long ways to go yet, but if I have learned something, then that is the fact there is a lot of dishonesty and deception within this hobby.

With that being said, it would be nice, sort of, if I were just talking about dishonest sellers, not about a grading company or TPG, whichever you prefer, to be one of those dishonest deceptive people!

I am not sure what you are referring to, Ben? I see the label as a 10, Mint or Better. There is nothing there that I see that would suggest this card, or any other, is not graded like the rest, or remotely close to what people are use to or is the norm in hobby.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TONY-GWYNN-1...D/122396909010

It's funny what this guy decided to add in his post just to make it that much more alluring or appealing. A newbie, rookie, neophyte, or whatever you want to call them, would/will likely eat this stuff up. I know when I first re-joined the hobby and this site after a 30+ yr absence, I was one of them.
Graded BCCG-10 (Mint or Better) by Beckett Grading Services "The World's Most Trusted Source in Collecting"

Last edited by irv; 07-17-2017 at 09:09 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 07-17-2017, 11:57 AM
Peter_Spaeth's Avatar
Peter_Spaeth Peter_Spaeth is online now
Peter Spaeth
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 10,542
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bnorth View Post
I don't think Beckett is going anywhere as they are king with the new shiny cards by a mile.
Not sure of that these days. I just searched on ebay for 2011 Topps Update Trout PSA and 2011 Topps Update Trout BGS -- a pretty representative newer card -- and there are more PSA.
__________________
Proud hare flipper.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 07-17-2017, 12:02 PM
Zach Wheat Zach Wheat is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,186
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by irv View Post
I disagree. I have seen many sellers who claim it was "graded a "6" or "7" or higher and mention nothing about how BCCG grades.

I said it back a while ago, that sellers will love this as there are still many novice collectors out there and new collectors coming to the hobby everyday.

"Those two Beckett services are BVG and BGS only. A third Beckett service, BCCG, attempts to capitalize on the well-known numerical grading scale collectors are familiar with (1 through 10) as a way to make it appear to novice collectors that the card is in nicer condition than it actually is."
Well said Irv. Here is some comments straight off the Beckett boards:

http://www.beckett.com/forums/thread-1483902.html

Z
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 07-17-2017, 12:04 PM
bnorth's Avatar
bnorth bnorth is online now
Ben North
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 3,407
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by irv View Post
I have learned a lot since I joined this forum, and I still, admittedly, have a long ways to go yet, but if I have learned something, then that is the fact there is a lot of dishonesty and deception within this hobby.

With that being said, it would be nice, sort of, if I were just talking about dishonest sellers, not about a grading company or TPG, whichever you prefer, to be one of those dishonest deceptive people!

I am not sure what you are referring to, Ben? I see the label as a 10, Mint or Better. There is nothing there that I see that would suggest this card, or any other, is not graded like the rest, or remotely close to what people are use to or is the norm in hobby.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TONY-GWYNN-1...D/122396909010

It's funny what this guy decided to add in his post just to make it that much more alluring or appealing. A newbie, rookie, neophyte, or whatever you want to call them, would/will likely eat this stuff up. I know when I first re-joined the hobby after and this site after a 30+ yr absence, I was one of them.
Graded BCCG-10 (Mint or Better) by Beckett Grading Services "The World's Most Trusted Source in Collecting"
We just see the same thing differently Dale. Hope you are having a great day!

To me that card is labeled correctly as a BCCG 10 Mint or Better. It would be the same as a PSA 9 Mint and I have seen several cards in that exact condition labeled as such. Many people do see Beckett as the worlds most trusted source in collecting, I personally do not.

I see many things in this hobby as much worse than a label that people can't figure out how to read correctly. Yes I complain about those too not that is does any good.
__________________
T210 Series 3 Ft Worth, looking for low end examples and especially ones with a Y shaped hole punch. I also have some extra T210's for trade.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 07-17-2017, 12:06 PM
botn's Avatar
botn botn is offline
Greg Schwartz
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,086
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth View Post
Not sure of that these days. I just searched on ebay for 2011 Topps Update Trout PSA and 2011 Topps Update Trout BGS -- a pretty representative newer card -- and there are more PSA.
Sadly PSA continues to dominate the market and it is not because they do it better. Beckett and SGC continue to do things that encourage collectors and dealers to make PSA their grader of choice.
__________________
The market is not correcting that was a pretty lo-end example. Had a stain on back and very poor focus and centering plus historically, prices tend to dip before the National.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 07-17-2017, 06:08 PM
frankbmd's Avatar
frankbmd frankbmd is offline
Fr@nk Burke++
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Between the 1st tee and the 19th hole
Posts: 3,902
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by irv View Post
What do you think, Frank, a 8, 9 or 10?
Quote:
Originally Posted by bnorth View Post
I believe that would be correctly labeled as a BCCG 7 Very Good.
Ben,

Irv says it's undergraded.

Irv,

Just include that opinion with you submission and I see Kuzava in a BCCG 9 holder

__________________
FRANK:BUR:KETT - ALMOST OLD ENOUGH TO BE ON A PREWAR CARD.

PURVEYOR OF NUMEROLOGICAL INSIGHT ON NET54


519/1000 Monster Number --- WHAT'S YOUR MONSTER NUMBER?

Update your MN today. Don't risk the consequences.


Over*600* successful B/S/T transactions completed in 2012-17.
Over 229 satisfied Board members served.
Thank you all.


Are you a T206 Insider?

Only 37.10% crazy based on recent polling data.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 07-17-2017, 06:11 PM
JollyElm's Avatar
JollyElm JollyElm is offline
D@rrΣn Hu.ghΣs
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,660
Default

Picked up this beauty today…

gretzskybccg10.5.jpg
__________________
Check out my bucket(s). Virtually everything is available for trade:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152396...57685904801706
http://s1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee404/JollyElm/
http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/elmjack44/library/

You know you're a baseball fan when your spell check doesn't flag "Lajoie."
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 07-17-2017, 07:39 PM
irv's Avatar
irv irv is offline
D@le Irv*n
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Ontario, Canada.
Posts: 2,768
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by frankbmd View Post
Ben,

Irv says it's undergraded.

Irv,

Just include that opinion with you submission and I see Kuzava in a BCCG 9 holder

After seeing Jolly's sweet looking, under graded, Gretzky above get a 10.5, my undergraded Kuzava should be at least an 11, maybe even an 11.5 now!
I think such a deserving card should now be called Better than Gem Mint, (BTGM) or a Platinum Gem Mint, (PGM). I mean, with the Super High Intensity Training that Beckett must have taken in order to have this new BCCG standard, I am not sure why they didn't take it to a much higher level?

Last edited by irv; 07-17-2017 at 09:11 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Bccg Manny Trillo Postwar Baseball Cards Forum (Pre-1980) 12 11-03-2016 05:00 AM
Bccg bigfish Net54baseball Vintage (Pre-WWII) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 34 07-29-2010 02:39 PM
Bccg hunterdutchess Net54baseball Vintage (Pre-WWII) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 41 05-26-2010 07:51 PM
BCCG - I don't get it Archive Net54baseball Vintage (Pre-WWII) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 2 02-22-2005 06:46 PM
BCCG........... Archive Net54baseball Vintage (Pre-WWII) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 8 09-05-2003 10:23 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:43 AM.


ebay GSB