NonSports Forum

Net54baseball.com
Welcome to Net54baseball.com. These forums are devoted to both Pre- and Post- war baseball cards and vintage memorabilia, as well as other sports. There is a separate section for Buying, Selling and Trading - the B/S/T area!! If you give an opinion of a person or company your full name needs to be in your post. Contact the moderator at leon@net54baseball.com should you have any questions or concerns. Enjoy!
Net54baseball.com
Net54baseball.com
ebay GSB

Go Back   Net54baseball.com Forums > Net54baseball Main Forum - WWII & Older Baseball Cards > Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 09-03-2018, 08:47 AM
clydepepper's Avatar
clydepepper clydepepper is offline
Raymond 'Robbie' Culpepper
Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Columbus, GA
Posts: 4,666
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stampsfan View Post
1. Most everyone has heard the name "Babe Ruth".

2. Has anyone heard the name "Hoot Gibson"?


I cannot recall a single piece of Hoot Gibson memorabilia (autograph, lobby card, etc.) in any auction I have followed.


You never heard of Bob 'Hoot' Gibson?

There's the connection...thin though it may be.

.
__________________
.
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on others lives" - Jackie Robinson


MY BIG CONCERNS ABOUT AMERICA:

Internally- We spend too much time assuring our rights without learning the responsibilities that should accompany them.
Externally - No matter how much we claim to take the higher moral ground, we have neither respected nor attempted to understand other cultures.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-03-2018, 09:20 AM
PowderedH2O PowderedH2O is offline
Sam Lemoine
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Greensboro/High Point, NC
Posts: 432
Default

Why compare Babe Ruth to Hoot Gibson? Ruth was the biggest star athlete in the world. Hoot was just another moderately popular actor. Ask the average person on the street who Bogart is, and they can tell you. Then ask them who Joe Medwick is, and you would get less than 3 out of a hundred would get it right. But, in his element Keswick cards have value.
__________________
Actively bouncing aimlessly from set to set trying to accomplish something, but getting nowhere
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-03-2018, 09:39 PM
Aquarian Sports Cards Aquarian Sports Cards is offline
Scott Russell
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 2,436
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sportscomicfantasy View Post
On the large scale, I would agree with you but there are notable exceptions. The biggest I could point out are Star Wars and Star Trek!

There are plenty of Star Wars items getting major bucks, week in and week out. I remember about 10 years ago, there were several items going for 6 figures from a major auction house for Star Trek. One of the models used in the movies or series went for $250, 000.

When my wife was alive, I went to DragonCon in Atlanta for many years in a row. I don't know how many go there now, but one year they had 80,000 people over a 4-day extended weekend. I think it's this weekend that it is probably going on right now. I felt it seemed busier at that convention then it did the year they had the Sports Card National in Atlanta, don't remember but that was about 18ish years ago.

I think it really depends on the actor, film, series etc. There is always someone willing to pay more money than someone else for something that most would think is crazy. I have plenty of sports items that guys on this site would think is crazy and visa versa.

I do think sports is more far-reaching than movies and TV for longer periods of time because most are people who have followed certain teams their whole lives. There are few series that you can do that in movies or TV, but there are some.

The other possible examples that come to mind are Lord of the Ring and James Bond 007, and the new kid on the block I would say is Harry Potter.
but you're using contemporary examples which isn't making the same point Leno is. Call me 50 years after the last Star Wars movie or Star Trek movie is in theaters.
__________________
Great experience buying from edjs and mybuddyinc. Check out my ebay store, weird, eclectic, accurate, and reasonable! http://stores.ebay.com/Aquarian-Sports-Cards Also check out http://www.birminghamauctioneers.com
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-03-2018, 10:16 PM
Troy Kirk Troy Kirk is offline
member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 97
Default Hoot Cards

Well, I have to show some Hoot Gibson cards. I'm surprised none have shown up already in this thread.



Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-04-2018, 12:18 AM
sportscomicfantasy sportscomicfantasy is offline
Michael
member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Florida
Posts: 30
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards View Post
but you're using contemporary examples which isn't making the same point Leno is. Call me 50 years after the last Star Wars movie or Star Trek movie is in theaters.
I will concede your point only slightly, maybe I should expand a little more.

Babe Ruth will transcend sports for years to come, but will always be remembered in by sports fans as his name will be brought up forever. Babe Ruth expanded the Yankee fan base as he created more Yankee fans, which the kids of those Yankee fans became Yankee fans more times over than not. So there are now grandkids and great grandkids of those Yankee fans who watched him play.

The Star Wars and Star Trek franchises are doing the same things, they are just not as old. I used to go to the shows which have gotten only bigger over the years. Yes the last one I went to, Harry Potter had a bigger turn out than did the Star Wars and Star Trek sessions did. But the Star Wars and Star Trek session were filled with parents bringing their kids. The Harry Potter had the kids bring their parents to them.

My point is I don't think Star Wars or Star Trek are going away. I think they will have more movies or series to come still, as long as they make money they will continue to come. I don't think the collectibles will catch Babe Ruth, but I think the original stuff will continue to go up in value if it is rare.

I don't think that Star Wars or Star Trek or Harry Potter will transcend as much as Babe Ruth will. However, more people of today can probably name more movie stars of today than they can their own politicians!
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-08-2018, 10:22 PM
Gary Dunaier's Avatar
Gary Dunaier Gary Dunaier is offline
"Thumbs Down Guy"
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 551
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by barrysloate View Post
My friend said, You see that guy over there, he performs stand-up at the comedy clubs in Boston. I thought that was an unusual thing to do. He approached us and stopped to say hi. It was, of course, a 21 year old Jay Leno. Looking back, it was really cool that I got to meet someone who was virtually unknown at the time but would go on to achieve amazing fame and success.
Since we're talking early Jay Leno - which we're really not, but since it was mentioned I get to do this - I thought I'd share an image of a check he wrote on 2/24/77 - less than a week before his first-ever appearance on The Tonight Show (3/2/77), which as you all know would eventually be a major part of his legacy by virtue of his taking over the host duties after Johnny Carson resigned.


(Personal information digitally removed from the image.)
__________________
What's THAT guy doing?
- comment by one of the YES Network broadcasters as the camera caught me making a thumbs-down expression in response to Todd Frazier's three-run home run, Citi Field, September 11, 2017
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-10-2018, 05:08 PM
BobC BobC is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Parma, Ohio
Posts: 260
Default

And don't forget that sports is used and portrayed quite a lot in the movies and media that also helps to perpetuate and continue the spread of the legends and names of the past, and keeps them in front of new fans even today.

Ruth appeared in movies, especially the 1942 film The Pride of the Yankees with Gary Cooper, it's an all-time classic. And there are so many others that keep the names and events alive for future generations. Field of Dreams combines fictional and historical characters, especially Moonlight Graham. How many people would know of him if it wasn't for that movie? And the girls leagues from the 1940's, collecting and knowledge of them got a huge boost when A League of Their Own came out. Eight Men Out brought additional knowledge and interest into the Black Sox Scandal of 1919, and even The Natural created a renewed interest in older players and times. Dimaggio was married to an all-time movie legend in Marilyn Monroe, and the list goes on. As long as the media and movies continue to be made, people will still see, appreciate and relate to these stars and players from prior generations. And as long as baseball and sports are popular and still around, their will always be interest in the stories and lives as well.

Hoot Gibson was a reasonably popular actor at one point in time who played characters on the screen. Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig, Mantle, Robinson and others, actually lived and performed such athletic feats and endeavors that made them popular and loved by the fans. People will always remember Babe Ruth for his legendary feats and performances, maybe one day not so many will remember William Bendix (or more recently John Goodman) who have played him in the movies.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-10-2018, 10:15 PM
Snapolit1's Avatar
Snapolit1 Snapolit1 is offline
Ste.ve Na.polit.ano
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 2,753
Default

Leno is absolutely spot on correct. People grossly exaggerate the extent of current/recent celebrity staying power. Most of these people have zero staying power over time.

The folks paying huge bucks for the Tupac stuff that has been sold the last few years by Golden? Enjoy your purchases. It will never be worth much. Ditto people paying for Kurt Cobain or many many other celebs. They will be dust in the wind. To quote Kansas. Who are also worth bubkiss.

Try getting $2 for a David Cassidy autograph.

Last edited by Snapolit1; 09-10-2018 at 10:24 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-10-2018, 10:34 PM
ls7plus ls7plus is offline
Larry
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Southfield, Michigan
Posts: 1,699
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snapolit1 View Post
Leno is absolutely spot on correct. People grossly exaggerate the extent of current/recent celebrity staying power. Most of these people have zero staying power over time.

The folks paying huge bucks for the Tupac stuff that has been sold the last few years by Golden? Enjoy your purchases. It will never be worth much. Ditto people paying for Kurt Cobain or many many other celebs. They will be dust in the wind. To quote Kansas. Who are also worth bubkiss.

Try getting $2 for a David Cassidy autograph.
+1. I recall that some few years ago, someone paid either $25K or $16K (or both, with subsequent buyers) for a one of one Strasburg rookie refractor--does anyone think you could get $2500 for it now? Same thing with $1500-$2000 for one of fifty refractor rookies of Mauer and Wright. So many stars of the (brief) time turn into bit players over a longer period. That having been said, even the popularity of Cobb, Wagner, Ruth, Gehrig, Williams, Mantle and the like will depend upon not only a fervent interest in our game, but also it's history. MLB used to do more to cultivate that, with shows like the best 9 players of all time at each of the various positions. Lately, that task seems to have fallen into the hands of the Smithsonian channel (with specials on Ruth, Gehrig, Williams, etc.), and PBS with American Masters (great feature on Teddy Ballgame!).

Hi, Steve,

Larry

Last edited by ls7plus; 09-10-2018 at 10:43 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-15-2018, 11:06 PM
Gary Dunaier's Avatar
Gary Dunaier Gary Dunaier is offline
"Thumbs Down Guy"
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 551
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ls7plus View Post
I recall that some few years ago, someone paid either $25K or $16K (or both, with subsequent buyers) for a one of one Strasburg rookie refractor--does anyone think you could get $2500 for it now?
The Strasburg card sold for $16K in May 2010 and the seller flipped it for $21K a month later. (Source: The Definitive History of the Legendary Stephen Strasburg 2010 Bowman Chrome Superfractor)

The 1997 Tiger Woods Grand Slam Ventures card once sold for over $100,000, if you believe the hype Don West used to do on Shop At Home. (For example, at 0:42 on this video.) Did the card really sell for that much, and if it did is there any information on that sale?
__________________
What's THAT guy doing?
- comment by one of the YES Network broadcasters as the camera caught me making a thumbs-down expression in response to Todd Frazier's three-run home run, Citi Field, September 11, 2017
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Interesting article. Brian Van Horn Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 8 09-17-2017 10:30 AM
Interesting Article shelly Autograph Forum- Primarily Sports 2 07-28-2013 02:36 PM
Interesting Article Tsaiko Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 0 12-29-2011 01:35 PM
Interesting CNN article 55mntclimber Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 9 10-07-2010 11:30 AM
Interesting old article Archive Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions 3 12-31-2006 12:55 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:17 AM.


ebay GSB