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Posted By: Darren J. Duet

I've heard many of the hobby's experts make statement's about this or that card being more scarce and desirable than the T206 Honus Wagner. My question is what card is the most desirable in the hobby today despite the hype of the past.

My vote is for the 1914 Baltimore Babe Ruth.

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My Holy Grail is the 1887 Allen & Ginter Cap Anson. Great player, beautiful card, low pop, and very old.

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Posted By: Wesley

I have been looking for a nice E102 Wagner fielding for some time.

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A Grail card all depends on what you collect and what you like. For me, my Grail card used to be the m101-5 Thorpe because I've always admired Thorpe and it's one of the few cards the depicts him as a baseball player. Thanks to a previous Grail thread and a kind lurker, I know own this card Right now, my current grail cards would be the 2 Tarzan Bread cards I need for my player set, Hogsett and Carleton. Anyone have either they wanna sell real cheap?

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1914 Cracker Jack Christy Mathewson

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Old 02-14-2005, 02:23 PM
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Posted By: Darren J. Duet

The T206 Wagner is considered by most "in the know" collector's as the top card in existence -- as evidenced by the $$$ being paid for examples. My intention for this thread is to get an idea of whether or not the Wagner still reigns supreme, not necessarily what each of us consider "grail worthy" for our own collections.

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Ok well the answer is no then. The T206 Wagner is the most overvalued card in the hobby. It's as simple as that.

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I can't see any card challenging the T206 wagner as far as price goes, so it will always be the holy grail, but maybe no rightfully so.

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Posted By: PASJD

1986 Donruss Jose Canseco RC limited edition (doubled its regular size after injecting itself with steroids).

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Posted By: jay behrens

The t206 Wagner reigns supreme and will do so for the forseable future. It's the only vintage card that the average person on the street would recognize and actually know what it is. Within hobbies innner circle, there are no doubt cards that are more coveted and desired than the Wagner, but people outside the would have no clue about them. The Ruth card you mention is a perfect example. It maybe coveted amongst the hobby elite, but most average collectors are unaware of the card. Even people that only collect shiny new metalic cards know all about the Wagner, yet proabably know absolutely nothing about this Ruth card.

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Posted By: Julie

I now remember. That's about it for me.

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Do all of the Rumors surrounding the PSA 8 Wagner keep it from "Holy Grail" status?

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Posted By: jay behrens

There are people that don't care about what has or hasn't happened with that card. All they care about is having the highest graded card whether the card inside the slab is altered or not. It's definately a case where people are buying the slab and not the card, per se.

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Posted By: Andy Cook

Holy grail is any T217 Mono or D380 Clements Brothers Bread

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If that card were submitted to PSA for grading today do you think they would grade the card? Would GAI? SGC?

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The T206 Wagner card is a FREAKING COMMON!

Who would pay outrageous money for a card that common?



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Posted By: WP

Let's not get carried away, to the best of my knowledge there is only one copy graded above Ex and that card is most likely been substantially altered.

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Posted By: wesley

I thought Hal's Reccius Wagner is one of a kind.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

So take away the one that was altered...

and you have about 60 fair-to-poor known examples of the T206 Wagner card.

Anyone who would pay $100,000 for some POOR T206 Wagner card when 59 other people have the SAME card in BETTER condition... is crazy (to me).



Sure, there is NO DOUBT that the T206 Wagner card is the most "famous" in terms of notoriety...

but OWNING one is LESS about collecting "cards" and more about collecting "publicity."

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Wes: It is one-of-a-kind.

Wally was talking about the T206.

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Posted By: WP

Hal,
I agree it is an over-hyped card. For my 100K I would ratherhave the Balti News Ruth. Even though it appears that the grade was a little generous.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

No doubt, Wally, no doubt.

$100k could also get a very nice one of these and STILL have $50k left over for a new car:



With only a dozen or so known to exist...

they should start catching up in price to the T206 Wagners in the very near future.

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Hal.
Is your copy the one from the Egan collection?

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

No, the Wagner card and the Cobb card above are both mine.

But, if you are asking if they were once in the Egan collection BEFORE I purchased them...

I really don't know the answer to that.




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Posted By: Judge Dred

At the rate things are going the McPhee N172 (any pose) will be the "hot" thing to get. Ok, that's a big stretch.

I like the N172 Anson in uniform as a tough card from a widely distributed set (not regional to a city) as the holy grail. There are so many different cards that are "tough" and that could qualify.

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E98 Old Put Cobb.

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I don't think I have ever seen the Cobb back before, at least not on an actual card. Is it slabbed, I can't quite tell on this lousy PC if that is an SGC holder or a black background? What other rarities are you keeping hidden there in far-off Florida?

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Yes, Peter, it is slabbed by SGC:



STUPID CREASE!!!

Why couldn't smokers be MORE CAREFUL with their cards back then??

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I didn't know such a place existed.

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Hal,
You are a bit critical of the T206 Wagner consdering you were bidding on one in the last Lelands auction, the one with the mouse bite. I agree with you on the Cobb/Cobb back. It is probably undervalued, but more recent sales show it to be on the rise.
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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Jim:

You have to remember that I have only one purpose in life:

To bid HIGH on EVERY vintage card!!



My mission is to DRIVE UP the value of all these old cards... and it seems to be working!!

The BUYERS can hate me.

The SELLERS can love me.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

To me it isn't the most valuable card but the card I need for my collection but simply cannot f-ing find no matter what I try: 1928 Exhibit PCL Jimmie Reese, 1921 Exhibit boxing Eddie O'Dowd and E78 Sam Berger and James Jeffries. I need the O'Dowd to finish my set, where I have been stalled for 2+ years, and the Jeffries/Berger is the only mainstream card with 1904 Olympic HW gold medalist and Jewish slugger Berger. I've been chasing that one for years too. Of course, I'd estimate the E78 at somewhere north of $500 if it surfaced at auction, so it isn't exactly cheap, but compared to the baseball cards everyone else is citing...

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Posted By: Darren J. Duet

Wagner was a great player -- no doubt about it. But ---- Cobb was arguably the greatest. Cobb is also more reknown worldwide. In my humble opinion, the Cobb with Cobb back is more desirable than the T206 Wagner -- great card Hal! My intention with this thread was to get ideas on what cards could supplant the Wagner as the hobbies most desirable. That card would have to be rare, old, and of a legend.

The T206 Wagner has all that going for it, and it is from a widely collected set( a big plus). The t206 Cobb with Cobb back would have to essentially become more than a variation(I believe had it been a different pose from his "regular" t206's it would already be the top card)to surplant the Wagner. Gradually this is happening as more and more of us are paying attention to backs. This makes the T206 master set a monster for the ages.

I believe there is no hope for cards of Nap Lajoie or Lindy Linstrom or Homerun Baker of ever taking top spot. A card from a less popular issue would have to be a card of a Cobb or Ruth(eg the 1914 Baltimore)to receive the honor.


Candidates for the position of MVC (most valuable card)
1914 Baltimore Ruth
1914 CJ Christy Mathewson
T206 Cobb with Cobb back

Any others?

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Posted By: JimB

What effect does the quantity available of a potential Holy Grail card have on its candidacy? The Wagner seems perfectly situated because it is rare, but not impossible. Anybody with enough money can get one. A couple of recent auctions aside, the Doyle variation is virtually impossible. With only five or six known, it really can't be gotten by most people even if they wanted one. I wonder if the Cobb/Cobb back actually increased in desirability when Rob Lifson found five, bringing the then total to 11 or 12 (now I believe 13) known. It is a bit more possible. They are not offered with nearly the frequency of a Wagner or Plank, but every few years one is made available.
Is the Baltimore News Ruth too rare?
Any guesses on how many 14 CJ Mattys there are? Are there any theories on why it seems to be harder to find than other1914 CJs?

Though I don't think it will change any time soon if ever, I think the Cobb back has the best shot at being the Holy Grail - Best Player, Most Popular Pre-WWI set, rare but not utterly impossible.

My gut says that the Wagner will always be the Holy Grail. Hal, you really should get one. They are also more attractive than your other Wagner.
JimB

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Does anyone else get the sense that JimB has a T206 Wagner for sale and he wants me to be his sucker?



Come on Jim...

post a SCAN of that bad boy!!!

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Posted By: Mike

Jim, I know of 13 examples of 1914 Cracker Jack Mathewsons, I have scans of 12 different. As for why it's more difficult, the only theory I have is there are more 1915 Cracker Jack collectors than 1914 and they may like to try to complete a Master set. Meaning they go back and get all the different poses and team changes from the 1914 set. Just a theory.

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Posted By: JimB

Hal,
I am just speaking the truth.
If I can get to my safety deposit box before closing tonight, I will post a scan. Otherwise, I am out of town until Sunday night, so it will have to wait until next week.
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Posted By: Geoff Litwack

It's not the most valuable or the rarest of the cards under discussion, but I have to agree with Julie that my holy grail would be the Four Base Hits Kelly. Every time I see that image, it knocks me off my feet.

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T210 Old Mill Series 8 Joe Jackson. 'Nuff said....

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Here you go Hal, though at this point it is not really for sale.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

JimB:

I guess the rat that was nibbling on yours didn't have as sharp of teeth as the other one did!

Just kidding - GREAT card - you should NEVER sell it.

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Posted By: Darren J. Duet

Anyone have a scan of a four base hits kelly?

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Posted By: jay behrens

I believe this is a scan of Leon's card.



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Posted By: Darren J. Duet

A short list:
T206 Cobb/Cobb back
1914 Baltimore News Babe Ruth
T210 Joe Jackson
1914 Cracker Jack Christy Mathewson
Four Base Hits King Kelly
N172 Cap Anson in uniform
E98 Old Put Ty Cobb
1897-99 H. Reccius Cigars Honus Wagner

Any of you out there have all these cards? Hal?
How many of you out there own any of these?

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Anyone who owns ALL TEN of these cards would be one bad-ass mamma-jamma!!

Four Base Hits King Kelly
N172 Cap Anson (in uniform)
1897 Reccius Cigars Honus Wagner
E98 Ty Cobb (w/Old Put stamp)
T206 Honus Wagner
T206 Ty Cobb (w/Cobb back)
T210 Joe Jackson
1914 Baltimore News Babe Ruth
1914 Cracker Jack Christy Mathewson
1913 Boston Garter Joe Jackson

These are probably the 10 "Kings" of the vintage card world!

Just ONE of these cards would make ANY collection a great one!

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Posted By: Wesley

Sounds like you're the man for the job, Hal.

Really, it looks like from this list, only the Reccius is unique so you have a jump start on everyone.

FBH Kelly
N172 Anson (in uniform)
Reccius Wagner
E98 Old Put Ty Cobb
T206 Wagner
Cobb w/Cobb back
T210 Jackson
Baltimore News Ruth
1914CJ Mathewson
Boston Garter Jackson

Besides the Reccius, isn't the population for the others at least two? If that's the case, only you could finish off that list.

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Posted By: rob

where does a Ty Cobb t213 type 3 "overprint" fit into the rarity/scarcity equation...have people seen many, if any of those? I believe he only comes in two poses, red portrait and "bat off"...

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Posted By: Scott Elkins

the Old Put Cobb is unique (at least according to the Mastronet catalog it was auctioned in). However, you never know what is hiding out there. Some caramel guru like Pete C. or BCD would know more about them however.

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Posted By: Julie

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Posted By: Darren J. Duet

Wouldn't it be cool if we had a monopoly game with groups of these cards as the properties, grading companies as utilities, the major card conventions as the railroads, and your neighborhood candy store as free parking. The playing pieces could be a mit, bat, catcher's mask, world series tropy, Babe Ruth's car, etc. The community and chance cards could be renamed Evers and Chance, and the cards would reflect some of the history of the game. Jail could be renamed Banished. A chance card would state "caught fixing the World Series, You are banished and pay $200; or find a great deal on ebay collect $200 in dividends; or better yet by a fake on ebay, you lose $100 etc.

T206 Wagner and Cobb Boardwalk and ParkPlace
T210 Jackson, 1914 Ruth, 1914 CJ Mathewson Green Properties
N172 Anson, Four Base Hits Kelly, & Reccius Wagner Yellow properties
1914 CJ Cobb, Jackson, & Wagner Red properties
1952 Topps Mantle, 1934 Goudey Gehrig, 1933 Goudey Ruth #144 Orange
1948 Leaf Paige, Robinson, and Musial Violet
1963 topps Rose, 1969 topps Jackson, 1968 topps ryan light blue
1986 Donruss Jose Canseco(VG condition) and `91 topps tr. Giambi purple

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