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Old 04-08-2017, 07:12 AM
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While I am just splitting hairs, as it doesn't change anything, I spoke with an exec with Rawlings a few years ago, and I was told that the brown spots that developed on the balls from the 2008-09 period was due to bad manufacturing equipment at the factory. Machine oil leaked into the adhesive during the manufacturing process and slowly migrated from the adhesive layer into the leather over time. That is why the oil spots took a year or so to develop. Just to be safe, I now buy OMLBs and let them sit around for a good amount of time before getting them signed! Just to see if they will develop any type of blemish. Better safe than sorry, since the current guys and HOFers charge so much!

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Old 04-08-2017, 12:40 PM
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While I am just splitting hairs, as it doesn't change anything, I spoke with an exec with Rawlings a few years ago, and I was told that the brown spots that developed on the balls from the 2008-09 period was due to bad manufacturing equipment at the factory. Machine oil leaked into the adhesive during the manufacturing process and slowly migrated from the adhesive layer into the leather over time. That is why the oil spots took a year or so to develop. Just to be safe, I now buy OMLBs and let them sit around for a good amount of time before getting them signed! Just to see if they will develop any type of blemish. Better safe than sorry, since the current guys and HOFers charge so much!


This is a good idea, I think I'm going to do the same going forward.


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Old 04-08-2017, 12:48 PM
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is toning the same as spotting on a baseball? what can be done when a ball starts to tone or spot? will it continue to tone or spot? thanks

I'm not sure about the official definitions, but when people say toning I think of an overall change in the general color of the ball, such as what an aged ball looks like. That I don't mind so much if it's fairly even over the ball. Like this:



Spotting to me is the big ugly splotches on only part of the ball, like these:






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Old 04-08-2017, 05:12 PM
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Thank you so much for teaching me the difference. I really didnt know it. after seeing th pics, i agree, toning, im ok with. spotting not so much. with spotting, once it starts does it keep spreading? thanks
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Thank you so much for teaching me the difference. I really didnt know it. after seeing th pics, i agree, toning, im ok with. spotting not so much. with spotting, once it starts does it keep spreading? thanks


Really don't know. I assume that it will occur over a period of time, and then stop. For instance, the baseballs I mentioned in my OP were probably signed no later than the mid-90s, I would guess whatever you see at this point on the ball is probably how it will be.

Whereas, if as other people have mentioned Rawlings does have these problems from time to time, there are probably some newly signed balls that haven't even started showing this problem yet but will eventually.


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Old 04-09-2017, 10:15 AM
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Everyone may have a different interpretation, but to me "toning" is an even change of color on the entire ball. Very few, if any baseballs, stay snow white... they all tone to some degree due to the aging of the organic material and the various chemicals in it.

Spotting is when there are distinct dark spots or stains. I think most collectors would avoid a ball with unappealing stains... especially of they are near the signature.
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