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Old 09-04-2016, 01:56 PM
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Agree.

I am not an attorney, but I'm pretty sure the "opinion or unknowing middleman defense" doesn't work when the result is a very long track record of counterfeit goods being trafficked nearly 100% of the time. If someone was completely incompetent and just tossing a coin or carelessly accepting of any consignment, they'd be right at least some of the time.

When you are wrong almost all the time, it's called "willful ignorance" and/or criminal conspiracy.
substitute "HOF autos" with "statues of Mary made of cocaine" and I bet suddenly all would become clear for the Feds..... It's a damned tragedy and a shame these guys aren't in jail.
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Old 09-04-2016, 02:26 PM
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substitute "HOF autos" with "statues of Mary made of cocaine" and I bet suddenly all would become clear for the Feds..... It's a damned tragedy and a shame these guys aren't in jail.
absurdly poetic...but undoubtedly true!

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Old 09-04-2016, 02:36 PM
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absurdly poetic...but undoubtedly true!

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well yeah it's a tad hyperbolic, but I don't see why selling illegal things suddenly becomes ok because it's fake autographs instead of gucci bags, ipads or religious figurines made of narcotics....
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Old 09-04-2016, 02:46 PM
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well yeah it's a tad hyperbolic, but I don't see why selling illegal things suddenly becomes ok because it's fake autographs instead of gucci bags, ipads or religious figurines made of narcotics....
agreed...good point - well-stated, and also true re: the arbitrary nature of "importance"
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Old 09-04-2016, 05:30 PM
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I can't believe in 20 plus years in business that something hasn't triggered an investigation into these guys. Hell if they can shut down and investigate Mastro and Legendary auctions they surely can investigate and shut down Coaches Corner. Unbelievable that these guys are still around. Its pathetic
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Old 09-05-2016, 09:16 AM
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I can't believe in 20 plus years in business that something hasn't triggered an investigation into these guys. Hell if they can shut down and investigate Mastro and Legendary auctions they surely can investigate and shut down Coaches Corner. Unbelievable that these guys are still around. Its pathetic
There has been. For whatever reason the one I am aware of was dropped.
Maybe there will be another one or two or three or four.
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Old 09-07-2016, 12:12 PM
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I remember the one inch black and white scans in Sports Collectors Digest, but seeing this me sick to my stomach! I am a collector of Black Sox memorabilia and I actually hoped to buy Barry's lot of eight signed baseballs offered my Sotheby's (Mrs. Joe Jackson, Weaver, Gandil, Cicotte, Williams, Risberg, Felsch and McMillan) as they had a $15,000-20,000 estimate. I was hoping to get it for around $24,000 but the eight balls sold for over $54,000!Scan below from catalog. Knowing what we know now whether it was a great choice having been outbid and not gotten involved in the bidding frenzy I am not sure.

So I clicked at the link above and they actually had 10 single signed baseballs from that 1919 Blacksox team and I was stunned. Gandil sold for $25. Felsch for $100, Jackson sold for a whopping $316! I could have had all ten signed balls for under $1000! That's probably, what...$100,000-120,000 worth of autographs...for $1,000?

I checked this morning and they have more signed Blacksox balls with another Gandil and a Gleason signed softball and another Joe Jackson, all with LOA's from Joseph Sperling.

And to think people are in jail for shill bidding and this is allowed to continue for 20+ years...

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Oh, in the new auction they included a scan of the LOA from Sperling and I found this amazing baseball glove signed my Presidents, all in two pens including JFK. Note the final price it sold for. Yup, nothing fishy about that either.

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Old 09-07-2016, 03:18 PM
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Wow!!! on that glove,,
I can tell you one thing,, those Black Sox balls,, you did not want to win them.
Johnny Fang specials, I am sure of that.
Much better quality forgeries though than CC crap. Johnny was/is an artist.
You were outbid by Charlie Sheen,,, I have no idea what happened to them after he won them.
He had just come off acting in Eight Men Out and was jazzed up about the Black Sox. Bad luck for him.
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I'll give them two bucks each so I have something for my dog to chase in the backyard
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