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Old 04-19-2017, 02:27 PM
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Default Are Bonds/Clemens desirable autographs for you?

Not here to judge your opinion, just curious what it is.

I have a pretty decent collection of signed/certified baseballs, both from older players (Mays, Aaron, Rose, Frank Robinson, Killebrew, etc.) and more recent guys (Griffey, Ryan, Henderson, etc.)

Among others, it's missing these 2, the #3 and #7 best players ever (by ESPN's rankings). Until this point that was because I just plain didn't like the guys, because of possible steroid use but also because they (especially Clemens) just seem like unapologetic jerks.

But I'm also realistic that there are probably plenty of guys in my collection who were also jerks, just less publicly so, so I'm starting to rethink my opinion.

Just curious, anyone approach their collecting in a similar fashion?


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Old 04-19-2017, 02:39 PM
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It is hard to base on personality. I had Mantle spit at me and Aaron curse me out as a nice cordial teen age boy but I still collect them. If it is based on steroid use that is one thing but based on who is a jerk that is hard to rate. I wouldn't tho get Tony Pena after I saw him humiliate young players in front of fans at spring training- I just wouldn't ask him after that
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Old 04-19-2017, 04:18 PM
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Matt,
For the record I own signed balls of both Bonds and Clemens, but I have owned them for quite a while.
FWIW, both of these guys will ultimately get into the HOF, and I suspect that it will be sooner than most think based on the 2017 vote count.
Both of these autographs can be had for relatively bargain basement prices these days.
It all comes down to what you want to collect, but once these guys get into the Hall their prices will probably rise significantly from their current levels IMHO.

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Old 04-19-2017, 04:24 PM
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I don't see myself ever having any interest in them. Same would go for Palmeiro, one of the few to have 500 homers and 3,000 hits. I could never bring myself to buy something knowing it really meant nothing.
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Old 04-19-2017, 04:30 PM
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I'd like autographed rookies of each but that's it.
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Beem actively looking for, and trying to see if Bonds would sign the 87 donruss error.
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Old 04-19-2017, 04:48 PM
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Matt,
For the record I own signed balls of both Bonds and Clemens, but I have owned them for quite a while.
FWIW, both of these guys will ultimately get into the HOF, and I suspect that it will be sooner than most think based on the 2017 vote count.
Both of these autographs can be had for relatively bargain basement prices these days.
It all comes down to what you want to collect, but once these guys get into the Hall their prices will probably rise significantly from their current levels IMHO.


I agree with you on pricing, if I'm getting in now's the time; thanks for your response.


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Old 04-19-2017, 04:54 PM
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I have a baseball encyclopedia that I get signed by every former major leaguer I meet. Clemens came to my area a lot and was reported to be a generous signer when his son was playing here, but I never got it. Wish I had made more of an effort.
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Old 04-19-2017, 04:54 PM
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I don't see myself ever having any interest in them. Same would go for Palmeiro, one of the few to have 500 homers and 3,000 hits. I could never bring myself to buy something knowing it really meant nothing.


This is pretty much exactly how I feel from a steroid standpoint. I have autos because the #'s are meaningful to me (Rose, Henderson) or I like the player.

With Bonds/Clemens, I don't trust the #'s, and I don't like the players. Yes, they both were probably Hall of Famers without steroids, but since I don't know how much they were aided, it just loses a lot of my interest.

Again though, I am admittedly putting them in a bucket that a lot of other players (including some I have autos of) probably belong in. They just were much bigger jerks about it. I always liked Bagwell, and whether or not he did steroids, he did himself a favor by not being so antagonistic. Same with Piazza.

And don't get me started on Clemens' headhunting, the two Piazza incidents specifically. There was a not insignificant reduction in his beanball rate when he moved to the National League. Guy was a coward.


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Like em or hate em, they will go into the HOF. Then interest will rise and prices will go up. Years from now another generation won't understand or care about steroids, all they will see is the numbers and they will collect them.
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