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Old 04-11-2018, 08:46 AM
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Old 04-11-2018, 02:11 PM
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Who was the last U. S. President to die from cancer?

US Grant died from throat cancer. It is believed by many that Thomas Jefferson suffered from prostate cancer as well. And I remember Beau Biden, Joe Biden's son, died of brain cancer, which John McCain is also suffering from.

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Old 04-14-2018, 01:23 PM
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1) when I was growing up, it was always batteries that stay charged forever, but that would put battery makers out of business.

2) regarding cancer, I am not a medical professional, but as I understand it, a cel mutates and becomes cancerous. It then starts to attack and modify the cells around it, looking for oxygen. (cancer cells cannot get their own oxygen out of the bloodstream ). So if you can strengthen the surrounding cells, they can essentially wall off and starve the cancerous area. This is being shown to be much more effective than chemo,
which is human drano that kills ALL cells. There is a medical device common in Europe that has been proven to increase blood flow by nearly 30% which has led to some positive effects in this war, if you catch it early enough.
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Old 04-15-2018, 09:23 AM
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As for Ken's above point # 2, I think some clarification is in order because its' incorrect. Cancer is easily misunderstood.

Cancer can extract oxygen and nutrients from blood, preferentially most of the time. It often outgrows its' budding blood supply and become necrotic because it tends to grow quicker than other cells. Also the reason for weight loss while afflicted, the cancer is preferentially taking nutrients such as glutamine.

The mainstay of most chemotherapy (caveat: The newer monoclonal antibodies etc I am only slightly familiar with) is to target fast-replicating cells, i.e. cancer, which is why other cell lines than turn over quickly (hair, nails, GI lining) feel the brunt as well.

I think the problem most people have with grasping cancer is a fundamental misunderstanding of the disease process. Cancer is your own cells, which through a process too long to discuss here, lose their ability to undergo programmed death when damaged, and essentially proliferate without end, spreading to different parts of the body either locally, through blood, or through lymphatics. When tumor suppressor genes on chromosomes fall off or are damaged/mutated, you can't just pop it back on, though people are researching novel genetic treatments all the time, and I hope they eventually will be successful.

We do, actually, have a cure for cancer if caught early enough. Frank can tell you what it is

Just trying to clarify a little,

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