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Old 06-12-2018, 12:37 PM
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Default Hobby History of 1916 M101?

Hey everyone, Did Jefferson Burdick or fellow Hobby Pioneers write any articles, research or come up with a checklist on the 1916 M101-4/5 and related sets from the 1930's -1960's?

There's an abundance of information on our T sets, but I was wondering how Burdick came to designating the issuers of the M101-4/5 and similar D sets which too appear to have been issued by Mendelsohn Publishing such as Morehouse Baking and Weil Baking? Any information would be excellent, thanks.
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Hey everyone, Did Jefferson Burdick or fellow Hobby Pioneers write any articles, research or come up with a checklist on the 1916 M101-4/5 and related sets from the 1930's -1960's?

There's an abundance of information on our T sets, but I was wondering how Burdick came to designating the issuers of the M101-4/5 and similar D sets which too appear to have been issued by Mendelsohn Publishing such as Morehouse Baking and Weil Baking? Any information would be excellent, thanks.
Try and pick up Old Cardboard Issue #16 from the Summer of 2008. Tim Newcomb and Todd Schultz wrote a great article on the Mendelsohn sets.
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Net54 member DKathm@n posted an article written by Lionel Carter from the Jul-Aug 1958 issue of Sportfan newsletter, which makes it clear (to me anyway) that these sets had gone decades with little to no reporting. I say that assuming that he--Carter--would have been aware of the work and reporting done by Burdick and others who preceded him, yet the 1958 article basically announces the m101-4 set as a new discovery from Preston Orem. Thus two of the then hobby giants were just learning details of m101-4. The article is also inaccurate in a few respects, indicating the cards were not well known to the hobby and were not well checklisted.

Also, Mike Aronstein wrote an article about the Famous and Barr set in the 1971 issue of The Trader Speaks, and stated "I believe this is the first time this set has been seen much less check-listed [only 188 cards confirmed at the time]". Because F&B is the most common advertisement seen on m101s except for The Sporting News, it seems very odd that these cards went more than a half century without much if any reporting.

Perhaps someone can post scans of the m101-4/5, D329, 350,352, and H801-9 descriptions used by Burdick in his various iterations of the ACC, to see if we can spot other clues as to how these descriptions may have changed over the various years the ACC was published.
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I'd love to see what prefixes Burdick used throughout the years with some of these issues -especially the M and D sets. Seeing the progression of how these sets came to be as we know them today is really something fascinating!!
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I'd love to see what prefixes Burdick used throughout the years with some of these issues -especially the M and D sets. Seeing the progression of how these sets came to be as we know them today is really something fascinating!!
I can post the M-card sections of all four editions of the ACC, but I won’t be able to do it until at least Monday.
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Very much appreciated, David. Maybe scan the D329, 350,352, and H801-9 also (which covers Weil Baking, Standard Biscuit, Morehouse Baking and Globe)
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Very much appreciated, David. Maybe scan the D329, 350,352, and H801-9 also (which covers Weil Baking, Standard Biscuit, Morehouse Baking and Globe)
Here ya go..from the (last) 1960 update



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Thanks Leon. That's a start. I thought I had seen and scanned all of them (although I can't find any of them), but clearly had not seen this one previously.

Some cool tidbits already. Do you have the m101 page too? (he asked greedily)
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Todd -- here are the M card pages from the 1960 ACC (except the intro and M1, the Forest & Stream Animal Series). I'll photograph the relevant pages from the earlier editions of the ACC and post them here soon.


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I couldn't find my copy of the 1946 American Card Catalog -- I think I must have put it in one of the boxes when I was organizing and storing my old hobby publications a few months ago. I'll try to dig that out later, but in the meantime I do have the 1939 United States Card Catalog and the 1953 ACC.

The first three pages below are from the 1939 USCC, and they're all I could find for what we now call D, M, or H baseball cards. This catalog was basically just Burdick by himself cataloguing his collection, with maybe some other sets that he happened to know about; what we call M cards (including M116 on the third page) were lumped together as "miscellaneous". The fourth picture below is from the 1940 supplement to the USCC, and it reclassifies M116s as 14 in the "Old Advertising Cards" group.






The following pages are from the 1953 ACC. By this time, Burdick and his collaborators had pretty much come up with the broad classifications we know today, but they made quite a few changes in numbering of specific sets between this edition and the 1960 edition. The 1946 edition is closer to the 1953 than to the 1939, but it has its own idiosyncrasies. I'll post those pages when I'm able to dig it out.





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