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Old 04-10-2019, 08:20 AM
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Here are the original mini pennants. I have seen the Ebbets large pennants for at least 5 or so different teams from this set.
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That is a fantasy piece. Ebbets Field Flannel made pennants based off of 1937 BF3 mini pennant designs. Red Ball never made minor league full sized premium pennants. They either made these in the late 80s or early 90s.
So is this a fantasy piece too? I saw it in person and it certainly appeared to have some age to it.


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So is this a fantasy piece too? I saw it in person and it certainly appeared to have some age to it.


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No, that is a different design compared to the Brewers BF3.
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So you don't think it was a Red Ball? It certainly appears similar.
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So you don't think it was a Red Ball? It certainly appears similar.
It is an absolute certainty that your pennant wasn't issued from Red Ball.

1. The didn't issue large pennants of minor league teams.
2. They only issued one mini pennant for the Brewers. You can see it in the previous pic I posted.
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Okay thanks! But you can certainly see why asked. The do look very similar in design.

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There is more info on the BF3 premiums earlier in this thread: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...97#post1831997

Red Ball issued large pennants as premiums, but only of the 16 MLB teams in the styles show in the salesman sample book. The large pennants are pretty much identical to their mini pennant counterparts.
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Hey guys, hoping to get your thoughts on this pennant I pick up recently. The seller listed it as 1930ís and it definitely has an old look to it. The older pennant I have all have the design screened/painted on. This pennant has the words and logo in felt and is not sewn on. Is this common? Iím questioning the authenticity. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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At least your Brewers Pennant is authentic and of the era, as opposed to the other example.

Yours has proper aging, a correct spine and painted/screened graphics (as opposed to the tell-tale raised velvet).

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+1. Nothing to shake a stick at for sure...
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Hey guys, hoping to get your thoughts on this pennant I pick up recently. The seller listed it as 1930ís and it definitely has an old look to it. The older pennant I have all have the design screened/painted on. This pennant has the words and logo in felt and is not sewn on. Is this common? Iím questioning the authenticity. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
I have no opinion on the authenticity of this pennant. But, I did want to address your question about the felt letters/graphics and the way some manufacturers affixed these to the body of the pennant. You are correct that most manufacturers would sew the letters on. This was commonplace through the 1920s and 30s until screened/painted designs became the norm.

BUT, there was at least one manufacturer that glued the letters to the body. If you're able to examine one of these pennants in person, it'll be fairly obvious that the letters are felt; but, on the reverse, there'll be no stitching outlining the spot where each letter sits.

I suspect this was done to lower production costs. Running a sewing machine takes time and and an experienced operator. Glue ... not so much.

I don't think this production method ever really caught on. For one, glue tends to crack when a pennant is waved back and forth. It also breaks down with time. It had to be cheaper to just screen print the lettering and be done with it.
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Time to defibrillate this thread...CLEAR!!!!

This baby just sold on Ebay while listed as an International League minor league baseball pennant...However, I feel that's wrong. This pennant is made of 1960s material (the baseball Bears disappeared around 1949) which would make it a Newark Bears Continental Football League pennant. The spine and tassels also scream 1960s. Curious what others thought.

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This baby just sold on Ebay while listed as an International League minor league baseball pennant...However, I feel that's wrong. This pennant is made of 1960s material (the baseball Bears disappeared around 1949) which would make it a Newark Bears Continental Football League pennant. The spine and tassels also scream 1960s. Curious what others thought.

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$144. Hope the buyer is a football fan.
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I would lean towards football as well. I have seen a few late 1940s Pennants with this cloth material and sporting these "flimsy" type of tassels. That Brooklyn Dodgers Football Pennant with the Bum would be one example.

But this cloth material and construction was far more prevalent from the late 1950s to mid 1960s. It could conceivably be either Baseball or Football, but I'd lean pretty heavily towards Football. The Bear logo looks more "football-ish" as well.

I don't know the color scheme for either team off the top of my head. But would guess this pennant was once light-to-medium blue, and has since faded to grey. Perhaps it would help to research the colors for the two teams, if anyone here wants to invest the time. That could help narrow it down as well.
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Just arrived today. An unusual green Houston Oilers pennant.
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Just arrived today. An unusual green Houston Oilers pennant.
Love it! Especially the oil rig worker, kicking the ball.
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Just arrived today. An unusual green Houston Oilers pennant.
Wow.... That arrived fast! Why does my stuff always take 3 weeks or more?

Great pickup of a super-rare one, Marc!
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Thanks, guys. It only had to travel about 3 hours down I45. They shipped it in what I would call a "brick" of cardboard, about 4 flat sheets on top and 4 on the bottom. It might have stopped a bullet. I'll take it over the pennant oragami that I've been receiving lately.
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Congrats Mark! I was an early bidder but I bowed out pretty early. Damn that 28.25% Buyer's Premium in Texas.
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Yeah, buying from Heritage is tough when you live in Texas.
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Here are a few others I've picked up over the past few months. The Giants pennant is an upgrade. The Houston All Star Game pennant has been elusive. And the random yellow circa 1983 unlicensed 49ers pennant may be the most difficult to find.
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Here are a few others I've picked up over the past few months. The Giants pennant is an upgrade. The Houston All Star Game pennant has been elusive. And the random yellow circa 1983 unlicensed 49ers pennant may be the most difficult to find.
Those are all tougher than one would think. Nice pick ups. I have the Yankees version of that Giants pennant where they added another piece of fabric on the pennant saying ďGiant KillersĒ. Odd pennant.
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Those are all tougher than one would think. Nice pick ups. I have the Yankees version of that Giants pennant where they added another piece of fabric on the pennant saying ďGiant KillersĒ. Odd pennant.
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I'd like to see the 1962 Yankees pennant as well.

It makes me think of this 49ers pennant that someone tried to "update" for the 49ers next Super Bowl.
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Iíve posted it in this thread in the past, but I post another photo later tonight. No pouting though
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I only collect pennants directly related to the 1971 Pirates. There were 8 versions of such pennants that I was aware of until today when I discovered this photo of Steve Blass on EBay. It appears that there was a 1971 World Series Championship pennant made for Steve Blass day in Canaan CT. The last census indicates there are less than 4000 residents in Canaan. Due to this I can't believe many of these were produced. Has anybody here ever seen one of these in person?
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As requested. You can see it is a separate piece of fabric, but it appears that is was applied prior to sale as it looks the part. I have never seen one like it, but one could pop tomorrow. That Giants one is a tough version as well. Ironic that they are playing right now. I won't tell you who I'm rooting for.

BTW, I've never seen that Steve Blass pennant either.
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I like that pennant, Jason.

And Mike has a new Holy Grail.
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As requested. You can see it is a separate piece of fabric, but it appears that is was applied prior to sale as it looks the part. I have never seen one like it, but one could pop tomorrow. That Giants one is a tough version as well. Ironic that they are playing right now. I won't tell you who I'm rooting for.

BTW, I've never seen that Steve Blass pennant either.
Do you suppose it had originally read, "American League Champions"? And then they updated their unsold stock after the series ended? Definitely looks like the original manufacturer made this modification.

I guess they had to fill some space; hence the "Giant Killers" addition.
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I would guess that. It is very secure so I canít peel any of it away to peek. Honestly, I canít remember seeing a regular Yankees version either. I assume it was originally sold in San Fran and they made very few Yankees versions compared to Giants and sold even less. Probably took unsold stock and tried to make the best situation they could with the remainder. When I bought it, the seller also had the Giants version. I want to say they had some other Giants version that was similar to the Giants version posted, but slightly different. Hard to remember.
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I have seen the Yankees regular version (1962 AL Champs). It was in an early Mastro & Steinbach Auction, but of course we can no longer access those archives.

Hereís a related 1962 WS pennant with the same Batter graphic.
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I only collect pennants directly related to the 1971 Pirates. There were 8 versions of such pennants that I was aware of until today when I discovered this photo of Steve Blass on EBay. It appears that there was a 1971 World Series Championship pennant made for Steve Blass day in Canaan CT. The last census indicates there are less than 4000 residents in Canaan. Due to this I can't believe many of these were produced. Has anybody here ever seen one of these in person?
Same design on this Orioles pennant ... very nice!
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Rob,
Do you have different Giants versions of that style pennant? I canít remember, but I am pretty sure there are a couple of slightly different designs. Or, have you seen either of those Yankees ones that Mark or I described?
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Rob,
Do you have different Giants versions of that style pennant? I canít remember, but I am pretty sure there are a couple of slightly different designs. Or, have you seen either of those Yankees ones that Mark or I described?
I have the same purple "souvenir" pennant as Mark. I've also seen it in red.

I have the orange 1962 as well as this one with reversed colors. My buddy has a brown version which he swears is not faded black.
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Canít temember if this is the same one or not. You guys all have better memories than me. Nice pennant either way.
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