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Old 01-09-2011, 05:58 PM
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Default 1967 Topps Punch Outs Team Checklists

I have spent the last week looking at this set in detail thanks to Al Richter's discovery of a new pose variation for the Mantle. While there may be one pose variation still to be found (jury is out on that but I feel it's possible), I'll leave most of the nuts and bolts to my most recent blog post on this crazy issue: http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/20...ion-paper.html

Long story short, the four players thought to be in the checklist: Bob Gibson, Brooks Robinson, Roy McMillan and Bert Campaneris, appear in lineups in the set but look like No Prints as Captains. I suspect they were replaced by the four pose variations for reasons too involved to go into here but detailed in my blog post. Basically they would have fulfilled the pattern of five players per league per position. Being pulled, it looks like there are 86 players in the set, not 90.

The outgrowth of this is I worked up team checklists for the set, which does not show team affiliations, so here ya go:

FREGOSI JIM ANGELS
KNOOP BOBBY ANGELS
REICHARDT RICK ANGELS
JACKSON SONNY ASTROS
MORGAN JOE ASTROS
WYNN JIM ASTROS
CHARLES ED ATHLETICS
GREEN DICK ATHLETICS
HERSHBERGER MIKE ATHLETICS
AARON HANK BRAVES
ALOU FELIPE BRAVES
CARTY RICO BRAVES
MENKE DENIS BRAVES
TORRE JOE BRAVES
BROCK LOU CARDINALS
CEPEDA ORLANDO CARDINALS
FLOOD CURT CARDINALS
McCARVER TIM CARDINALS
SANTO RON CUBS
WILLIAMS BILLY CUBS
DAVIS WILLIE DODGERS
KOUFAX SANDY DODGERS
LEFEBVRE JIM DODGERS
ROSEBORO JOHN DODGERS
HALLER TOM GIANTS
HART JIM RAY GIANTS
MARICHAL JUAN GIANTS
MAYS WILLIE GIANTS
MCCOVEY WILLIE GIANTS
PERRY GAYLORD GIANTS
ALVIS MAX INDIANS
COLAVITO ROCKY INDIANS
SALMON CHICO INDIANS
SIEBERT SONNY INDIANS
WAGNER LEON INDIANS
WHITFIELD FRED INDIANS
BOYER KEN METS
HUNT RON METS
JONES CLEON METS
KRANEPOOL ED METS
APARICIO LUIS ORIOLES
BARBER STEVE ORIOLES
ETCHEBARREN ANDY ORIOLES
POWELL BOOG ORIOLES
ROBINSON FRANK (2)
ORIOLES
SNYDER RUSS ORIOLES
ALLEN RICHIE PHILLIES
BUNNING JIM PHILLIES
CALLISON JOHNNY PHILLIES
GROAT DICK PHILLIES
WHITE BILL PHILLIES
ALLEY GENE PIRATES
ALOU MATTY (2)
PIRATES
CLEMENTE ROBERTO (2)
PIRATES
CLENDENON DONN PIRATES
MAZEROSKI BILL PIRATES
STARGELL WILLIE PIRATES
CONIGLIARO TONY RED SOX
SCOTT GEORGE RED SOX
YASTRZEMSKI CARL RED SOX
CARDENAS LEO REDS
EDWARDS JOHNNY REDS
PINSON VADA REDS
ROSE PETE REDS
HOWARD FRANK SENATORS
LOCK DON SENATORS
CASH NORM TIGERS
FREEHAN BILL TIGERS
KALINE AL TIGERS
LUMPE JERRY TIGERS
McAULIFFE DICK TIGERS
McLAIN DENNY TIGERS
BATTEY EARL TWINS
KAAT JIM TWINS
KILLEBREW HARMON TWINS
OLIVA TONY TWINS
TOVAR CESAR TWINS
VERSALLES ZOILO TWINS
ROBINSON FLOYD WHITE SOX
ROMANO JOHN WHITE SOX
BOYER CLETE YANKEES
HOWARD ELSTON YANKEES
MANTLE MICKEY (2)
YANKEES
PEPITONE JOE YANKEES
STOTTLEMYRE MEL YANKEES
TRESH TOM YANKEES
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Old 01-09-2011, 06:10 PM
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good work on the 2 shortstops 1 3b and 1 pitcher makes sense
however there are 14 singles 41 doubles 24 triples and 7 quads
for a total of 196 with 2 lineups still missing to make 198
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good work on the 2 shortstops 1 3b and 1 pitcher makes sense
however there are 14 singles 41 doubles 24 triples and 7 quads
for a total of 196 with 2 lineups still missing to make 198
I may go back and look at that but need to process what I did this week first. Something does still seem missing but it looks like you found a new quad? I only have six of those (I think). One of the quads is a traded player so it skews the numbers I think but I am fried right now but an additonal quad (7) would make sense.

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Old 01-09-2011, 11:02 PM
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HI Dave,

Incredible work. I haven't digested it yet, have to go back for a second run through. Not sure if I missed this, but I believe I have stargell with a stadium background and plain background - can double check and let you know.
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Old 01-09-2011, 11:19 PM
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Sorry, both plain background.
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Old 11-21-2012, 03:24 PM
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Default Grading of Punch Outs

I have this set and the captain poses. Most of it is ungraded, by choice. But in collecting the set I have acquired some graded cards and seen several. I have also had and seen several uncut 3 card panels. You can separate the panels by bending them until they separate or cut them.

On a 3 card panel the top and bottom card should have a straight top ot bottom border, but the middle card will have 2 uneven borders and the top and bottom one uneven border. Even if the cards are cut instead of bent to separate them you should see the perforations at at least one end, or on both ends of middle cards. Yet I have seen many highly graded cards with straight ends on the top and the bottom, which can only occur if the serated perforated edges are trimmed off

Is this a case where trimming a card from it natural state is acceptable ? I am not a graded guy so am just curious as to what folks think,,,.especially Larry S

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Old 11-21-2012, 04:13 PM
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Default Just another case.....

of the grading companies not always knowing what they are looking at. For the educated collector it is almost laughable (as well as good justification against grading or for trimming in some cases :-))
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Old 11-21-2012, 05:07 PM
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Howard---are you related to Doug ? :-)

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I have this set and the captain poses. Most of it is ungraded, by choice. But in collecting the set I have acquired some graded cards and seen several. I have also had and seen several uncut 3 card panels. You can separate the panels by bending them until they separate or cut them.

On a 3 card panel the top and bottom card should have a straight top ot bottom border, but the middle card will have 2 uneven borders and the top and bottom one uneven border. Even if the cards are cut instead of bent to separate them you should see the perforations at at least one end, or on both ends of middle cards. Yet I have seen many highly graded cards with straight ends on the top and the bottom, which can only occur if the serated perforated edges are trimmed off

Is this a case where trimming a card from it natural state is acceptable ? I am not a graded guy so am just curious as to what folks think,,,.especially Larry S
I am thinking straight edged cards could have come from the wax packs? Can's say for sure but it seems possible since they were issued as singles in those I believe.
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not sold as singles
sgc seems to not care or not know that the nubs are supposed to be there
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