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Old 01-26-2019, 12:49 PM
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I get it, Scott.
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Stats ERA G IP HR BB SO WHIP SO/9 SO/BB
as Starter 5.94 10 50.0 8 20 38 1.680 6.8 1.90

He also didn't even make the majors until he was 25, so FAR from an elite starting prospect.

For the first six years of Koufax’s career (six years, HALF OF HIS CAREER) his average year was 6-7, ERA-4.10, WHIP-1.428, “so FAR from an elite starting prospect”. At that point he wasn’t even good enough to turn into a closer. Maybe you should focus on the totality of Mariano’s work.
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For the first six years of Koufax’s career (six years, HALF OF HIS CAREER) his average year was 6-7, ERA-4.10, WHIP-1.428, “so FAR from an elite starting prospect”. At that point he wasn’t even good enough to turn into a closer. Maybe you should focus on the totality of Mariano’s work.
Agreed, the 'totality" of Mariano's work gets him in the HOF with today's game. He is not in the top 40 greatest pitchers.
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Glad to see that we all agree now about Mariano.

Maybe we should move on now.

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Hall of Fame case in support of Bennie Bengough

1. He sat on the same bench with Babe Ruth.

2. He is the #1 Card in his most popular contemporary baseball card set.

3. He played for the New York Yankees.

4. Several people who live close to the Hudson River consider him the best catcher of all time.


The Veterans Committee really dropped the ball on this one.

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Let me ask you all this. You have a great pitching prospect. What would you rather have him turn out to be:

1.) A dominant starter.

2.) A dominant closer.

Calling Rivera a "failed starter" might be a tad misleading if he only got a small amount of starts at the Major League level. But I ask myself, "why?" Did the Yankees have such a dominant starting rotation that they could afford to put Rivera in the bullpen?

If he's one of the greatest pitchers ever, wouldn't he be more valuable to the Yankees as a starter? You know he's going to get the ball 32+ times a year. A closer, you have no guarantee he'll even pitch. If the rotation and/or middle relievers are not doing well, Mariano is sitting in the pen watching the game.
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Let me ask you all this. You have a great pitching prospect. What would you rather have him turn out to be:

1.) A dominant starter.

2.) A dominant closer.

Calling Rivera a "failed starter" might be a tad misleading if he only got a small amount of starts at the Major League level. But I ask myself, "why?" Did the Yankees have such a dominant starting rotation that they could afford to put Rivera in the bullpen?

If he's one of the greatest pitchers ever, wouldn't he be more valuable to the Yankees as a starter? You know he's going to get the ball 32+ times a year. A closer, you have no guarantee he'll even pitch. If the rotation and/or middle relievers are not doing well, Mariano is sitting in the pen watching the game.

This is clearly not accurate because as we've seen since Rivera, plenty of teams have hemmed and hawed over what to do: Joba Chamberlain comes to mind, as does the Yankees current closer Aroldis Chapman.

They were even talking about this debate when David Price came up.
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