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Old 02-03-2016, 07:27 PM
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Had the pleasure of opening a '89 Fleer cello box last month. Case numbers identified it as mid December '88. Easily a month prior to the FF discovery. Found the Johnson Marlboro with red tint.

The Johnson was corrected, fixed, adjusted way before the Ripken FF. Cool variety.

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Old 02-03-2016, 07:33 PM
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Here is a pic of the clear Marlboro. Not mine. Resides in a PSA 9 slab.
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Had the pleasure of opening a '89 Fleer cello box last month. Case numbers identified it as mid December '88. Easily a month prior to the FF discovery. Found the Johnson Marlboro with red tint.

The Johnson was corrected, fixed, adjusted way before the Ripken FF. Cool variety.

Did you get a Wade Boggs and if so did you look to see if it was the super rare no dot version? Our friend Sean busted that cello box recently and found one in it.
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sorry Ben. No Boggs versions that I recall.
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Did you get a Wade Boggs and if so did you look to see if it was the super rare no dot version?
So funny. It is an extremely rare variation (and I believe that it likely originated without the mark and something happened to the plate early on), but I couldn't get $20 for it over a 4 month period of relistings. Fleer E&V collectors are definitely NOT Topps master set collectors.
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So funny. It is an extremely rare variation (and I believe that it likely originated without the mark and something happened to the plate early on), but I couldn't get $20 for it over a 4 month period of relistings. Fleer E&V collectors are definitely NOT Topps master set collectors.
Yes it is one of those examples that super rare does not equal valuable. I have 3 of them, I pulled one back in 89, had a member over on the BO forum send me one for free and a friend pulled one a couple weeks ago and sent it to me. Not sure what the last one cost me yet.

I never seen yours listed or I probably would have tried to buy it for less than you listed it at. Mine are all off center and would like a nice centered one.
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Yes it is one of those examples that super rare does not equal valuable. I have 3 of them, I pulled one back in 89, had a member over on the BO forum send me one for free and a friend pulled one a couple weeks ago and sent it to me. Not sure what the last one cost me yet.

I never seen yours listed or I probably would have tried to buy it for less than you listed it at. Mine are all off center and would like a nice centered one.
The least I had it at was $19.99 (repeatedly) which anything less, seems not worth selling for especially since a lot the rarer stuff is cyclical. New blood comes along and wants stuff that months previously, couldn't get a few bucks. I think the nature of the Boggs error, it's type (a black mark), isn't an aesthetically attractive variation, which I have learned over the last 10+ years does play a huge part in their sales.
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I have a full Bowman, Topps and Fleer run. For Topps I generally will buy recurring print defects as well as true variations through 1994. After 1994 and for all my Bowman and Fleer sets I have only collected variations listed by SCD, Beckett or in the PSA master lists. Have to have some limits

1991 Topps is the absolute worst. I do not think a master checklist is even feasible
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PSA and BGS have a difficult time differentiating the error card from the common card in too many instances. One easy way for them to never make this mistake again is observe this small hair like object found on the bottom left of the card where the second vertical white line hits the lower blue line. I've termed the object a "short hair". The short hair is not on any of the common versions and is on every error variation I've seen. How can this same object have appeared on all the different error variations? What changed that it didn't show up on the common version?
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PSA and BGS have a difficult time differentiating the error card from the common card in too many instances. One easy way for them to never make this mistake again is observe this small hair like object found on the bottom left of the card where the second vertical white line hits the lower blue line. I've termed the object a "short hair". The short hair is not on any of the common versions and is on every error variation I've seen. How can this same object have appeared on all the different error variations? What changed that it didn't show up on the common version?
As far as how it got there it's pretty simple. Not easy to tell exactly what way but a few easy ones.

It was there when the original pasteups were photographed so it was on the negative used to produce the black plates.
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It was a scratch on the black plate that made the errors.
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It was a scratch on the negative used to make the black plates for the errors.


Whatever the exact reason, making any of the corrected versions meant making new plates from altered negatives, or from entirely new negatives from a corrected pasteup . And either the bit of fiber was gone from the pasteup, or the resulting negatives never got scratched.

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* It's "possible" there were transitional cards using a mix of old and new plates, but considering that removing the Ad was because of a federal law the whole set was probably redone all at once.
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