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Old 07-21-2017, 12:00 PM
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Great info Steve. I am another one that loves this stuff but there is way too much going on with this set for me to collect it.

Here is a pic of one of my stranger 91 cards. In hand it looks to just be missing the red ink on the back. The light yellow tint is only noticeable in pictures of the card taken outside in sunlight.

The entire front and back of the card glows brightly under a black light.
That's an interesting one!

I think you'd mentioned the glowing as being from a yellow layer. I had doubts, because I'd expect to see some with that layer showing from bad registration.
I'll have to take a few outside.

When I went through my big batch of 91s years ago, I found a few different backs, the "tough" ones react to uv, but oddly. Not the bright glow, but a really dark red. Hard to tell from the ones that don't react, and it takes a strong blacklight. I didn't get far on the fronts, but did find a couple that reacted with a green glow, not strong but visible and probably from the clearcoat or gloss used.

The UV reacting backs go back into at least 84-85, again, not anywhere near as strong as the 91s, but obviously reactive.

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Old 07-21-2017, 12:57 PM
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^^^

What happens when the smart kid who became a lawyer hangs out with the weird mechanic kid and then runs into a slow spot in business.

Pretty much all the junkwax sets are like this, to me fascinating and so cheap I can collect a whole lot of them. Unfortunately they're also a huge time waster, and outside of a handful of cards are unlikely to be worth much in my lifetime.
They are a bit fun though.

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Old 07-21-2017, 01:16 PM
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That was pretty much what I got whenever I bought a full box. None of whatever was the big card at the time.

About the only one I did well with was from an auction. A box of ...I don't even recall what except it was cellos. But it was a bunch of cellos with maybe only 4 different commons on the front. Everyone else avoided it because it had obviously been tampered with so I got it cheap. Like under the original retail cheap. Whoever had it before had decoded the sequence or had paid for a list, and every pack had a good rookie or star inside. Traded them all for some other piece of junk that interested me at the time. At least I got some free cards out of it.
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Old 07-21-2017, 02:37 PM
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Steve,

Did you notice if the 1991 Topps cards had brighteners added to the red ink? I have spent a lot of time with the 1991 Topps DS set and most if not all seem to have brightener added to the red ink.
Since the DS set was printed in the early stages on the 1991 Topps print run, this should mean that the 1991 Topps set was printed mainly with the red brightener as well. I had always wondered what % of 1991 Topps production had the brightener added....wondering if you have an answer to that question.

Impressive that you have cataloged all of this. Thanks in advance.

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Steve,

Did you notice if the 1991 Topps cards had brighteners added to the red ink? I have spent a lot of time with the 1991 Topps DS set and most if not all seem to have brightener added to the red ink.
Since the DS set was printed in the early stages on the 1991 Topps print run, this should mean that the 1991 Topps set was printed mainly with the red brightener as well. I had always wondered what % of 1991 Topps production had the brightener added....wondering if you have an answer to that question.

Impressive that you have cataloged all of this. Thanks in advance.

Z
I think the yellow tint that can be seen when I took a picture outside on the Nolan Ryan card is just straight brightener.

From memory I think they are close to 50/50 regular/glow backs if bought in packs. It was close to that in the 1000's I sorted through. I think all the sets are glow backs. I kinda remember this being discussed before.
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This is really clever guys, talking in code so Peter keeps thinking we are crazy.
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Old 07-21-2017, 08:08 PM
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I think the yellow tint that can be seen when I took a picture outside on the Nolan Ryan card is just straight brightener.

From memory I think they are close to 50/50 regular/glow backs if bought in packs. It was close to that in the 1000's I sorted through. I think all the sets are glow backs. I kinda remember this being discussed before.
About a 50/50 split was what I got as well. On both the dark logo backs and the light logo.

The very dark red cards were maybe a hundred out of 5-10,000 but could turn out to be common in a different batch.

Another source shows ones where the frame glows but the logo doesn't, something I'll have to check for.

I also had a few where the cardstock itself reacted with a light bluish white. But there were very few of them, and I couldn't rule out some transfer of fibers/brightener from white paper. I've seen them a couple other places, so maybe it's another version.

I found the glowing backs by accident. I had a nice new blacklight for stamps, and was basically just shining it on the entire room in the dark. Had a box of 91s open and it lit up pretty good, but only about half of it.

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And as one of those "unexplainable stuff Topps did" things, a yellow brightener layer has got to be right up there. A whole additional plate just to print a layer that's essentially invisible in practice.
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Old 07-21-2017, 09:22 PM
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This is really clever guys, talking in code so Peter keeps thinking we are crazy.
Actually the master plan is to gather millions of cards to have Peter sort through. We are just in the building anticipation mode currently, Al.

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Old 07-21-2017, 09:24 PM
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And as one of those "unexplainable stuff Topps did" things, a yellow brightener layer has got to be right up there. A whole additional plate just to print a layer that's essentially invisible in practice.
Steve, does the yellow brightener fluoresce under yellow light too? With glow backs, it is pretty easy to see....

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