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Old 09-12-2011, 07:00 AM
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Brad:

I decided to leave theose out, primarily since collectors were the ones responsible for taking the stickers identifying the players and placing them on generic cut-outs. In general, it is an extremely unpopular set so I decided that it would be better left off. I know that it does have a couple of players like Cronin who would definitely pre-date any of their other cards.
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Winfield has a Team Issue item from Dean's Photo Service in 1973.
I have this photo of Winfield. It is definitely not a card. IMHO

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Phil, great list. After a quick review I think it is very close to what I have listed.

Jesse Burkett - there is only one Just So and it is altered. Normally I would consider it his RC, but since there's not even one legitimate copy out there (according to what appears your definition), I would consider the W600 or Ramly his RC.

I would consider most E107's over the W600 as RC's. Although personally I'd prefer to consider the W600's RC (only because they are cheaper and more obtainable) in reality for most of the W600's (?) they were distributed from 1902-11. At least with the E107's you know what year they were produced. For all you know the W600 you have could have been produced in 1911 (many years after the E107).
I know there are a few that you could pin down exactly what year they were produced. For any that could be proven to be distributed prior to the E107 I would be OK considering their cards a players RC.

I really believe you would be the only collector to consider stickers as acceptable rookie cards (Gossage/Schmidt). Aren't stickers, you know, stickers?

I thought I read somewhere that the Rose Co Postcards were not produced in 1908? I'll have to check that out.

I comment more later when I get more time.
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Thanks, Dan.

Later today, I am going to add the W600 of Burkett next to the Just So. Although the original card was severely trimmed and then rebacked by a collector, the core of the original card still remains so I am going to keep it on my list.

Regrading the E107's and W600's, exactly as you said, I am only listing W600's as Rookie Cards over E107's if a definitive 1902 issue date for that player has been determined. Otherwise, I have gone with the E107.

According to Kevin Struss, who has done extensive research of the Rose Company postcards as well as the Novelty Cutlery postcards, some Roses were issued in 1908 as well as 1909 so those issue dates are believed to be correct.

On the Puerto Rican League stickers, since they are about the same size as standard cards and have player bios on the back, I have chosen to include them. Out of curiosity one time, I tried to peel the "sticker" from the backing and found it impossible to do without harming the piece. I know that an album was issued in 1972 and some were peeled and stuck in there, which probably worked when the glue was fresh.

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Hey Phil
That is a great list you put out. You have done a nice job of giving justification to each decision too. That being said, if I were still a rookie card collector, and there were unique rookie cards of some players, I would still count them. It's sort of like saying you completed T206 .....but don't have Wags as he costs too much. If there is a at least "one" of a card, imo, it has to be counted. Now, you could do a caveat and accept the 2nd card, but it would have to have the dreaded asterisk imo..And lastly, I am quite sure there is no absolute definition of what a baseball card is so, if I were doing the list, I would be rather lenient on obscure card-like issues. Some photos can almost be both a card and a photo. Kind of like a photo-card. I have quite a few in my collection as type cards. Good thread!!
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Thanks, Leon.

That's exactly what I am going to do later today. I am going to add second cards for those players with uniquely-known Rookie Card examples and clearly identify them as such, leaving it up to the collector's choice, but at least they know where they stand.

The photo-type cards are certainly a gray area and I will have to consider them on a case-by-case basis.
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1954 Johnston cookies Hank Aaron is a true rookie card as well. I've read it was released before the Topps. Not sure if that is 100% accurate. Anyone else see anything about it?
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Scott:

You are correct about the Johnston card (not sure about the release date being before Topps). I debated whether to include it as it was a regional set but I will go ahead and add it since you brought it up.
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Thanks for the list. My only comment is that a sticker isn't a card in my opinion. If it is, what happens after it's peeled and stuck to something else. Is it still a card then?
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Phil, BTW ... I don't think anyone could have put a list together that would have less questions, issues as you did. NICE JOB!

I was wondering, why:

Dan Brouthers (1887 Buchner/Old Judge/Gypsy Queen)

but

Cap Anson (1887 Buchner)??? Why not A&G or OJ? I realize that were 88-90 but wouldn't that have been true for Brouthers also?

Still don't agree on the stickers but I guess it could be argued that cards are stickers also if you put glue on their back. I would definitely also list their mainstream issue, but it's your list.

As far as the W600's, are you saying you are only listing them ahead of the E107's if it is certain the card was issued prior to the E107? For example, the player changed teams in 1903 so the W600 had to be from 1902? If that's the case I agree. If the player was on the same team from 1902-11 and the card is listed ahead of the E107 I don't agree since odds are the card was from after 1903. I would at least list both in that example. However, once again, it's your list.

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