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Old 08-02-2004, 03:23 PM
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Posted By: Andrew

I've read some informative posts regarding red flags when buying unopened packs said to contain a T206. However, there seems to be more posts regarding "bogus" packs than real ones. Does anyone have a scan of a pack that contains an actual T206 card?

Since I'm fairly new, I may have missed any images that were previously posted. Thanks.

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Old 08-02-2004, 03:32 PM
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Posted By: hankron

The main problem is dating the packs to a specfic year. A tax stamp (that 'tag' across the opening) was often used for some years after the date on the stamp-- meaning a 1909 stamp can be found on a 1915 pack. Most packs on eBay are either defineitely the wrong pack or the date is at best a guestimate (could be 1910, could be 1914)

The easy to remember key for collectors is to look for the overprinted date on the stamp-- I beleive in light and often hard to read red lettering. This date is usually NOT found on the packs, but the presence of an overprinted 1909 or 1910 date on the stamp is the most practically provable way to prove the date.

There is another way to prove the correct 'T206' era, by comparing the tax stamp with the branding-- but this is esoteric and difficult to remember.

And don't forget you want a relevant factory.

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Old 08-02-2004, 03:43 PM
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Posted By: hankron

I add that a 1905 and a 1919 Sweet Caporal pack has essentially the same design-- so it's not like differentiating from across the room a 1954 baseball and a 1960 Topps football pack.

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Posted By: jay behrens

A quick and easy way to tell a pack DOES NOT have a card in it is if the pack carries the Leggett & Myers name on it.

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Old 08-02-2004, 07:49 PM
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Posted By: Jon Canfield

Both David and Jay have pretty much summed up the answer to your question. It is easier to tell on some of the more obscure T-206 related packs, but Sweet Caporal & Piedmont's are nearly impossible. Below are a few images on some T-206 packs. All of them, except for the Sweet Caporal (which has a high possibility as it has a 1909 tax stamp and the right district number) and the Polar Bear (I do have an authentic Polar Bear but was too lazy to scan it - these look IDENTICAL though, did contain a baseball card. The Piedmont was actually just recently opened... Enjoy!

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Posted By: Andrew

Thanks for all the advice and especially the scans. I wonder if most who purchase authentics end up opening them?

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Posted By: Max Weder

There's a Ty Cobb T206 with a Ty Cobb back on Mastro. Mastro mentions the "Ty Cobb brand". Did these Ty Cobb backed cards actually come in Ty Cobb brand packages or in some other brand? Have any packs ever surfaced at auction?

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Old 08-02-2004, 10:12 PM
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Posted By: Jon Canfield

Here is a picture of the Ty Cobb tin that the Ty Cobb backed cards are associated with. This one sold for about $12,000 and I believe it was the last one auctioned off. At last count, I knew of 3 of them but there may be more that other board members know about. Now, the consensus is that the ty Cobb backed card was never inserted into the tobacco product. They were either created to be given away with the product, or all of the cards (10 or so in existence, where a test issue that never made it into the tin) To be honest, I'm not even sure if the tin was ever marketed. It may have been more of a test product, itself.

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Old 08-03-2004, 12:24 AM
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"Thanks for all the advice and especially the scans. I wonder if most who purchase authentics end up opening them?"
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Andrew, it all depends on whether you're a collector or an investor/speculator.

The collector would open it.

Jon - the scans are beautiful.


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Posted By: Jon Canfield

Thanks Joe... In terms of opening, I think it all comes down to nerves. I would classify myself as more of a collector and I do have 2 unopened packs and really never got the urge (or should I say had the b*lls) to open them. My father is a dentist and I once had an x-ray taken of it but it shows nothing... That, in itself, is a valuable point because I have heard stories about "This pack has a card because my friend who works at an airport ran t through an x-ray machine..."

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