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Old 08-22-2019, 06:00 PM
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Default 51 Bowman Mantle Crossover or Bump Help

Looking for some thoughts on this particular card and it’s chances for a cross over to PSA or bump at SGC. Originally I was just going to have it reholdered at SGC upon purchasing the card. Once I received the card it appears much nicer and worthy of a bump or crossover so now reconsidering what may be the best option. Do I stand a chance with either or is it just a waste of money with a card of this caliber? The corners and edges are what really stands out to me for being better than the grade with 3 out of 4 being very good.

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Old 08-22-2019, 06:06 PM
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Don't have a true opinion on crossing it over, but you'd have to research PSA's view on how much 'out-of-registration' (magenta plate?) would affect the grading of this Mantle. But, man, that's a sweet card!!
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Old 08-22-2019, 07:23 PM
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Reholder with SGC then send to PSA to cross. Bingo

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Old 08-22-2019, 07:35 PM
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Reholder with SGC then send to PSA to cross. Bingo

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Very intriguing thought, that does seem like a good option. Assuming you have had some luck doing it that way? Worst case scenario I get the new SGC holder which is a vast improvement over the current holder.

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Old 08-22-2019, 09:33 PM
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Thatís a sweet card, congrats.
Would the purpose of the crossover be for registry, value increase, slab preference or other?


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Old 08-22-2019, 09:46 PM
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That’s a sweet card, congrats.
Would the purpose of the crossover be for registry, value increase, slab preference or other?


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Thanks, I’m really happy with the card. I like the look of the new SGC holders and this card would look sweet in the new case with the black flip. That being said, Ive been second guessing myself not attempting to cross it over to PSA for a value increase especially if it went over to a 6, but not sure thats possible without cracking out.

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Old 08-22-2019, 11:57 PM
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Thanks, Iím really happy with the card. I like the look of the new SGC holders and this card would look sweet in the new case with the black flip. That being said, Ive been second guessing myself not attempting to cross it over to PSA for a value increase especially if it went over to a 6, but not sure thats possible without cracking out.


If you are inclined to sell it sometime, I think crossing to PSA could make sense (assuming the TPG hierarchy remains the same), although Iím not up to speed on the fees for a card like this. If you will keep it in your PC and wonít plan on selling it, I think the new SGC flip is the way to go. Reholdering is pretty inexpensive, at least.


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Old 08-23-2019, 07:33 AM
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If you really want "bump help", send it to PWCC. With Moser's help they can probably "conserve" it to an 8 or 9.
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Old 08-23-2019, 07:58 AM
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SGC is by far my TPG of choice, so if I were keeping it in my collection I would just re-holder. If you are looking to flip it and maximize profit, then unfortunately I would have to concur that PSA is still the best choice. As shady and underhanded as I believe them to be, their bubble has not burst yet.

Gorgeous card, good luck either way. As mentioned earlier - I can see where it has the slightest of registration problems, but it is very minor and does not affect eye appeal much. You see that so bad on some cards where the player has two sets of eyes, lol.
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If you are keeping the card for your PC, why even mess with sending the card in the mail and having someone else crack the card for you just to get a shining new holder?

Things can get lost or damaged in the mail, cards can get dinged during the reholder process and all of us can go on about bad things that can happen to a card out of our possession.

It's not my very expensive card, but I would leave it alone and just enjoy it.
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Old 08-23-2019, 12:03 PM
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Things can get lost or damaged in the mail, cards can get dinged during the reholder process and all of us can go on about bad things that can happen to a card out of our possession.
I can understand the desire to get a card like that in the newest version of the slab. If it's worth it to him to properly insure, there should be no problems. I absolutely hate sending cards that I'm keeping for my PC off to be graded, though. Always feels like a family member is missing while they're gone...
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Nice card!

IIRC, the new SGC owners are Re-Grading everything sent for reholder (due to new ownership)

If you are trying to crossover, may want to just send directly to PSA instead of going through twice...
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What a beautiful card.

Have you ever seen the ones with very white borders? Yikes! A lot of them have been given chemical baths and yours is not one of them. Yours has off-white borders and this is the way it should be. It also doesn't suffer from print lines or bleeding. I do see a very faint wax stain on the reverse, but it's not as bad as the others I've seen. And finally, the centering looks great as well.

Just one question: do you have other cards from this set? Have you tried measuring this Mantle with one eye closed? Is it the correct size? Did you compare it to the others?

I wouldn't mail it out, but if you are ever in California, then why don't you just take it to the PSA building? I have a friend who does that with his expensive cards.

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Old 08-23-2019, 04:57 PM
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What a beautiful card.

Have you ever seen the ones with very white borders? Yikes! A lot of them have been given chemical baths and yours is not one of them. Yours has off-white borders and this is the way it should be. It also doesn't suffer from print lines or bleeding. I do see a very faint wax stain on the reverse, but it's not as bad as the others I've seen. And finally, the centering looks great as well.

Just one question: do you have other cards from this set? Have you tried measuring this Mantle with one eye closed? Is it the correct size? Did you compare it to the others?

I wouldn't mail it out, but if you are ever in California, then why don't you just take it to the PSA building? I have a friend who does that with his expensive cards.
You listed several reasons why I bought the card, it has a natural look to it, appears full size and the centering isn’t bad for the issue. I noticed the little bit of the registration being slightly off but 90% of them are and it doesn’t hurt the eye appeal much. I think the best bet is just to reholder it with SGC and enjoy it!

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Old 08-23-2019, 04:59 PM
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Keep SGC just reholder.

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Old 08-25-2019, 02:27 PM
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Mailed the card off to SGC for reholdering without review. Just having this card in the new holder will present much better. I dont plan on flipping the card so likely will just leave it in the new SGC 6 case. Will post an updated pic once it returns from SGC. Thanks everyone for your thoughts.

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Mailed the card off to SGC for reholdering without review. Just having this card in the new holder will present much better. I dont plan on flipping the card so likely will just leave it in the new SGC 6 case. Will post an updated pic once it returns from SGC. Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
That’s exactly what I would do. Good Job :-) enjoy your beautiful Card.

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Old 09-14-2019, 08:36 AM
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Fresh back from SGC, looks very nice in the new holder. That being said it still appears very worthy of a bump with the corners being so nice.




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Thatís a gorgeous card and itís looks great in the new holder. Congrats and enjoy!


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I think that little bump when you crossed over..really did you right...
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I think that little bump when you crossed over..really did you right...
Was a SGC 6 already just Reholdered it?
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A 6 for a 68 year old card is what my mother would describe as a "mighty fine" grade. Let alone a card bearing the significance of that one. Leave it alone and enjoy the heck out of it...
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