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Old 03-11-2019, 02:06 PM
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Below is a link to a Blog I posted yesterday on forged Derek Jeter 1994-1995 counterfeit Upper Deck baseball cards.

I noticed these forgeries months ago, but at the time I didn't really feel like exposing anything.

But yesterday, something ticked me off and I got rolling.

Jeter forgeries on counterfeit cards.


https://live.autographmagazine.com/p...here-are-these

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Old 03-11-2019, 02:58 PM
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Great article! Law enforcement notified?
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Old 03-11-2019, 03:04 PM
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Wow... it never ceases to amaze me how low people will stoop to run a scam. I am in the market for a lower end Jeter rookie auto and noticed quite a few of these available recently in my searches, now I know why. Thanks for pointing this out Christopher.

I wish the athletes/companies they are ripping off would go after people like this and make an example of them, this is pure FRAUD and sellers like this should be in jail IMHO.
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Old 03-11-2019, 03:07 PM
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Wow... it never ceases to amaze me how low people will stoop to run a scam. I am in the market for a lower end Jeter rookie auto and noticed quite a few of these available recently in my searches, now I know why. Thanks for pointing this out Christopher.

I wish the athletes/companies they are ripping off would go after people like this and make an example of them, this is pure FRAUD and sellers like this should be in jail IMHO.
I agree, Ryan.

Like I wrote in my blog, people are buying the back of the card:



Jeter1995AmerLegends-2.jpg

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Old 03-11-2019, 08:20 PM
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Wow... it never ceases to amaze me how low people will stoop to run a scam. I am in the market for a lower end Jeter rookie auto and noticed quite a few of these available recently in my searches, now I know why. Thanks for pointing this out Christopher.

I wish the athletes/companies they are ripping off would go after people like this and make an example of them, this is pure FRAUD and sellers like this should be in jail IMHO.
It would be easy to assume that these were Upper Deck issued cards, and that is why I always concentrate on the autograph before anything else.

First, they were easy forgeries to opine, but the sheer number of them in such a short period of time sure got my interest.

They were two Ebay sellers that were listing new ones as soon as the previous auction ended.

Just rolled them out one after another.
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Good job - thanks for posting .
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Old 03-12-2019, 12:37 AM
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Thank you for posting. I purchased one of the cards in your article. If it can be used as evidence by anyone willing to pursue this I will happily eat the money to see the people responsible get what is coming. I will follow up with a pm. As for a low end Jeter it was a a time a tough card to get. And I
like you said in article trusted the Upper deck hologram on the back.
Thanks I hope this goes somewhere.
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:18 PM
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Good job - thanks for posting .
Thank you, Matt.

I should posted that blog two months, but I guess better late than never.

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Great article! Law enforcement notified?
So far I have only notified Upper Deck, and to be honest, I don't expect to hear back from them.

Previous experiences tell me, that companies like Steiner Sports, UDA, etc., don't care.
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:20 AM
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We know law enforcement isn't going to go after them for forged signatures.

But, you'd think Upper Deck and the other manufacturers WOULD take an interest in someone counterfeiting their licensed product. In my view, that is a much more viable avenue to make these crooks pay.
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Old 03-12-2019, 09:18 AM
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In general, buyers beware of pre 2000 autographs. Grading companies will not grade them as company authenticated cards. They have to go through the authentication process because so many of the companies who made autograph cards went through some sort of warehouse sale or bankruptcy and the cards are prone to forgery since blanks went out.
It doesnít seem like this is an Upper Deck issue. They are out of the baseball business.. I would think this is more an mlb / nyy/ Derek jeter issue since they are counterfeiting mlb intellectual property and logos and the image and name of Derek Jeter. I would love to see them involved in protecting their license.

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We know law enforcement isn't going to go after them for forged signatures.

But, you'd think Upper Deck and the other manufacturers WOULD take an interest in someone counterfeiting their licensed product. In my view, that is a much more viable avenue to make these crooks pay.
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Chris,

Great work! Very informative write up. I've been wanting to add a Jeter autograph to my collection and I would have been fooled by this.
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:15 PM
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Chris,

Great work! Very informative write up. I've been wanting to add a Jeter autograph to my collection and I would have been fooled by this.
Thank you, Andrew.

I can understand those who aren't familiar with Jeter's autograph to get fooled by this.
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We know law enforcement isn't going to go after them for forged signatures.

But, you'd think Upper Deck and the other manufacturers WOULD take an interest in someone counterfeiting their licensed product. In my view, that is a much more viable avenue to make these crooks pay.
The same Upper Deck that got caught faking their own product?


Not likely.



I wonder if these cards are actually faked by the same people faking the autograph, or if they landed on a stockpile of in house fakes from UD?
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:19 PM
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The same Upper Deck that got caught faking their own product?


Not likely.



I wonder if these cards are actually faked by the same people faking the autograph, or if they landed on a stockpile of in house fakes from UD?
I agree.

Upper Deck does not care.

Steiner Sports doesn't care either.
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:32 PM
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Here is another listing where the lettering on card is off...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/382824833594

Safe to assume the auto is bad too...
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:38 PM
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Default Ebay seller Lyonhrt777

Here is an example of one Ebay seller who would list another one immediately after a previous auction ended.

Look at the dates. This is just one instance.



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Old 03-12-2019, 05:40 PM
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And another smh...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Upper-...kAAOSwB0hcYxiw

At least this seller took the item down and seemed concerned...
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We know law enforcement isn't going to go after them for forged signatures.

But, you'd think Upper Deck and the other manufacturers WOULD take an interest in someone counterfeiting their licensed product. In my view, that is a much more viable avenue to make these crooks pay.
I've contacted Steiner Sports a half dozen times regarding threads like the one below.

Steiner Sports doesn't care.

If you also have to understand, that many of the sellers of forgeries, use those sales to purchase authentic autographs from Steiner and others.

Maybe Steiner Sports doesn't want to upset those people.

Shame on Steiner Sports for not protecting their name/product and for not protecting the buyers who think they're purchasing a Derek Jeter autograph with a Steiner Sports COA.
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Old 03-13-2019, 09:53 AM
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hank you Christopher ,,,this will never end ,,
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Old 03-13-2019, 10:24 AM
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hank you Christopher ,,,this will never end ,,
Thank you, Octavio...

Ad you're right--This will never end.

If there's a way to scam, the scammers will find a way.
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I've contacted Steiner Sports a half dozen times regarding threads like the one below.

Steiner Sports doesn't care.

If you also have to understand, that many of the sellers of forgeries, use those sales to purchase authentic autographs from Steiner and others.

Maybe Steiner Sports doesn't want to upset those people.

Shame on Steiner Sports for not protecting their name/product and for not protecting the buyers who think they're purchasing a Derek Jeter autograph with a Steiner Sports COA.
I forgot to attach the link from the previous comment.

I've posted about a dozen threads like the one below and Steiner Sports doesn't care.


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I forgot to attach the link from the previous comment.

I've posted about a dozen threads like the one below and Steiner Sports doesn't care.
I have also contacted Steiner and tagged them on social media with direct links to obvious fakes that had a Steiner hologram. Never got a response.

You'd think a company with the resources Steiner has could easily deploy legal resources to quickly stop any seller from offering an item with a counterfeit or unauthorized Steiner sticker. Puzzling why they do not protect their brand.
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Old 03-13-2019, 11:03 AM
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I will also state that I have no doubt that some of the sellers of that garbage know exactly what they are selling!!!!!
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eBay seller tram7777, check his other stuff... but heís selling that Jeter card on this thread... I reported to eBay, but we know what that does
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eBay seller tram7777, check his other stuff... but heís selling that Jeter card on this thread... I reported to eBay, but we know what that does
The Jersey guys put a lot of these out there over the past couple of years. This seller has all stuff thatís authenticated... and this card. He probably is another victim who bought something he thought was good. He probably doesnít know.
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TNT has these fakes up now

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Signat...gAAOSwDSpc5MFu

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Signat...MAAOSw7XFc5MFq
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Ridiculous.... I wish someone would say something to Jeter about this. He may or may not know how bad it is.... But Iím sure he could do more than most people about this problem...
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eBay seller tram7777, check his other stuff... but heís selling that Jeter card on this thread... I reported to eBay, but we know what that does
Ebay seller Tram7777 is also selling one of these.


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