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Old 01-26-2012, 09:05 PM
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New "Forensic Autograph Authentic Company" is founded!!!!!!!!!!

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Just checked their team....Damn. I've got some balls I'd like one of their examiners to check out..

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Well, well, well, Stephen Rocchi came out of retirement.
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Just checked their team....Damn. I've got some balls I'd like one of their examiners to check out..
LOL, oh that's funny!
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This may be a good hobby for a couple of people with degrees in criminology to get into. No shortage of material here.

Me, I'm seriously thinking of becoming an "at risk youth."
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Just checked their team....Damn. I've got some balls I'd like one of their examiners to check out..
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She is not an examiner, she is a founder of the company along with Steve Rocchi.
Too bad
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She is not an examiner, she is a founder of the company along with Steve Rocchi.
Too bad
Damn. You got me there... If only I could be an "at-risk youth", maybe she could help me "become compassionate"? Is that better?
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Just checked their team....Damn. I've got some balls I'd like one of their examiners to check out..
Unbelievable!! Now THATS funny!!!
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I found the following on the FAQ section of their website:

How can third party authentication companies authenticate so many different autographs?

To properly authenticate a signature you must have numerous exemplars to do side by side comparisons. That is why at GFA we only authenticate a limited number of autographs and have experts specialized in these signatures.

I guess one of the forensic people over at GFA specializes in the signatures of Nana Visitor & Avery Brooks. The below Avery Brooks/Nana Visitor signed photo is presently on a auction site that I will not name.

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I don't want to sound stupid here, or w/e, but why n ot give this group a chance?
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I found the following on the FAQ section of their website:

How can third party authentication companies authenticate so many different autographs?

To properly authenticate a signature you must have numerous exemplars to do side by side comparisons. That is why at GFA we only authenticate a limited number of autographs and have experts specialized in these signatures.

I guess one of the forensic people over at GFA specializes in the signatures of Nana Visitor & Avery Brooks. The below Avery Brooks/Nana Visitor signed photo is presently on a auction site that I will not name.

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I see that their COA "guarantees" that the signature is genuine.
Wonder what that means if it isn't?
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I don't want to sound stupid here, or w/e, but why n ot give this group a chance?
a bunch of ex-cops with the founder of Global and a hot chick? With over 100 years experience, just like stated at Global..

Also check out their guarantee.

"In the event the purchaser of a GFA authenticated signature believes that the signature is not genuine with respect to GFA standards and procedures, he/she may submit the signature through the GFA “Guarantee Resubmission” service and GFA will submit the signature to an authorized 3rd party forensic authenticator for additional examination"

Why does it have to be re-subbed to them, so that they can submit it to their own choice of 3rd party forensic examiner? Who exactly will this 3rd party be? Perhaps Global?
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I see that their COA "guarantees" that the signature is genuine.
Wonder what that means if it isn't?
supposedly, they give you your purchase money back, or replace with an authentic item...However, see the process in order to claim the guarantee that I just posted..

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I see that their COA "guarantees" that the signature is genuine.
Wonder what that means if it isn't?
The FAQS indicate they send the questioned item to a third party FDE for determination. If found bad, they refund price or replace with similar item.
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I didn't get out the subtle nuances of the joke, until I checked out the team.
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i didn't get out the subtle nuances of the joke, until i checked out the team.

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Jackie looks to be about 28 at most,but says she's been collecting sports for 30 years. Nice trick.
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a bunch of ex-cops with the founder of Global and a hot chick? With over 100 years experience, just like stated at Global..

Also check out their guarantee.

"In the event the purchaser of a GFA authenticated signature believes that the signature is not genuine with respect to GFA standards and procedures, he/she may submit the signature through the GFA “Guarantee Resubmission” service and GFA will submit the signature to an authorized 3rd party forensic authenticator for additional examination"

Why does it have to be re-subbed to them, so that they can submit it to their own choice of 3rd party forensic examiner? Who exactly will this 3rd party be? Perhaps Global?
Global is not a forensic examiner. Neither is PSA or JSA or Ted Taylor. Neither am I.
We know who is.
I guess we will have to wait and find out who is their authorized 3rd party forensic authenticator.
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Their team page lists the founders, the examiners and the investigators(?).
What are the investigators for?
And another point, in the real world, forensic examination implies hours of work to examine one document or signature. It also implies much higher rates when compared to what the TPA's charge if a true forensic examination is offered.
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Their team page lists the founders, the examiners and the investigators(?).
What are the investigators for?
And another point, in the real world, forensic examination implies hours of work to examine one document or signature. It also implies much higher rates when compared to what the TPA's charge if a true forensic examination is offered.
The whole notion of a "forensic exam" and "forensic examiners" adding value for modern era collectibles is absurd. If the medium (ball, photostock, etc) is "of the era" and the signing implement is "of the era," what else is there to "forensically" examine? How are they "forensically examining" a Pete Rose signature in blue Sharpie on a Fuji Crystal Archive photo?

After that it is pure signature analysis, and I trust experienced collectors and dealers (and yes, PSA and JSA ) to be more in tune with that than some forensic examiner puffing their credentials with meaningless certificates.

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So from the Services page, am I to assume that to authenticate a Joe Dugan index card it will cost me the same as a Babe Ruth index card?
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So from the Services page, am I to assume that to authenticate a Joe Dugan index card it will cost me the same as a Babe Ruth index card?
Based on the services page, assume that is true.
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Based on the services page, assume that is true.
The problem I have with that is this company is going to need to authenticate a lot of pieces at that rate to stay afloat.
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Jackie looks to be about 28 at most,but says she's been collecting sports for 30 years. Nice trick.
Do you mean her implants look to be about 28? She's easily in her 40's.

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So from the Services page, am I to assume that to authenticate a Joe Dugan index card it will cost me the same as a Babe Ruth index card?
Why shouldn't it?
Now with a "guarantee" (if it has any teeth) then I can see charging a different price bc the risk assumed is greater financially for an error but with the other companies I can't see why they should charge more for esentially the same service.
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She is not an examiner, she is a founder of the company along with Steve Rocchi.
Too bad
I will bet she is an examiner alright. It might have nothing to do with autographs but she examines!! I bet she has examined a many a base-ball.
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Why shouldn't it?
Now with a "guarantee" (if it has any teeth) then I can see charging a different price bc the risk assumed is greater financially for an error but with the other companies I can't see why they should charge more for esentially the same service.
What equates to a thorough examination? How much time and effort will be spent in making sure an item is authentic? If they spend just two hours on a single signed flat, they're hourly wage just went down to $5.
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I will bet she is an examiner alright. It might have nothing to do with autographs but she examines!! I bet she has examined a many a ball.
Leon - tsk,tsk .
Terrible thing to say about such a fine looking lady .
And I do think she looks about 40ish,, but not bad for 40ish,,
Good to have a woman in the business though, especially one who looks like that .
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Do you mean her implants look to be about 28? She's easily in her 40's.
Like! Absolutely true!!
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  1. Does anyone think she's found Net54 yet?
  2. If she has, do you think she's found this thread yet?
  3. If she has, do you think she had the courage to read each post?
  4. If she has read each post, do you think she has a sense of humor?
  5. If she does have a sense of humor, that's great. But if she doesn't have a sense of humor, does anyone think she knows any martial arts?

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  1. Does anyone think she's found Net54 yet?
  2. If she has, do you think she's found this thread yet?
  3. If she has, do you think she had the courage to read each post?
  4. If she has read each post, do you think she has a sense of humor?
  5. If she does have a sense of humor, that's great. But if she doesn't have a sense of humor, does anyone think she knows any martial arts?

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4-hope so
5-nah, too busy at the hairdresser to ever have learned martial arts,,, ouch did I just say that?
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Leon - tsk,tsk .
Terrible thing to say about such a fine looking lady .
And I do think she looks about 40ish,, but not bad for 40ish,,
Good to have a woman in the business though, especially one who looks like that.
Richard- I was most certainly talking about baseballs.
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Richard- I was most certainly talking about baseballs.

Glad you clarified that, thanks .
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Geez, what a randy bunch of guys we are,,
Note: I did say we are, not you are .
But if their certs start showing up on CC, then the tone changes.
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In all seriousness, it's one thing to comment on the woman's obvious good looks. However, let's not get too nasty... she is someone's wife, mother, daughter...


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  1. Does anyone think she's found Net54 yet?
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  3. If she has, do you think she had the courage to read each post?
  4. If she has read each post, do you think she has a sense of humor?
  5. If she does have a sense of humor, that's great. But if she doesn't have a sense of humor, does anyone think she knows any martial arts?

Carry on...
Hopefully
Hopefully
Hopefully
Hopefully
Hopefully NOT

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Yes! Yes! So was I

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A couple of posts have already touched on what I was thinking as soon as I saw this: why is it that every authenticator has the word "forensic" somewhere in his title or company name? Is that the buzzword that adds the needed credibility to the enterprise? I've got to be honest here, I don't even know what the word "forensic" means. Is the root "foreskin", or something to that effect?
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A couple of posts have already touched on what I was thinking as soon as I saw this: why is it that every authenticator has the word "forensic" somewhere in his title or company name? Is that the buzzword that adds the needed credibility to the enterprise? I've got to be honest here, I don't even know what the word "forensic" means. Is the root "foreskin", or something to that effect?
I wouldn't touch that foreskin comment with a 10 ft pole .
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Did you know that forensic is an anagram of forescin? That's close enough for me.
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Fortyish? really?

I've been outta circulation for too long. Oh well, if she ever does read this thread, I've made a friend for life.
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Perhaps this company is trying to capitalize off of Grey Flannel's name recognition.

Grey Flannel Auctions = GFA = Guaranteed Forensic Authenticators
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Fortyish? really?

I've been outta circulation for too long. Oh well, if she ever does read this thread, I've made a friend for life.
I based the 40ish age on the bio of her on their website. She has been collectiong for over 30 years so,,,,,
Some people just have good genes and appear to be much younger than they really are, she seems to be one of those people.
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Perhaps this company is trying to capitalize off of Grey Flannel's name recognition.

Grey Flannel Auctions = GFA = Guaranteed Forensic Authenticators
Just wait 'til they gut sued by the other GFA "Graph factory Authentics"
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I based the 40ish age on the bio of her on their website. She has been collectiong for over 30 years so,,,,,
Some people just have good genes and appear to be much younger than they really are, she seems to be one of those people.
Agreed. Without a doubt, she is the definition of Cougar..
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Please, no jokes about petting the kitty!
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Please, no jokes about petting the kitty!
This board has gone from a PG rating to an NC-17 very quickly .
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Per grayghost's much earlier post, I have no pre-conception or opinion of the company.

It is interesting that just days ago people were bashing PSA/DNA and JSA for not guarantee their opinions, yet here is a company that say it will guarantee things and people are complaining about that too.

Let's not just be a board of complainers.

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