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Posted By: Patrick McMenemy

I'm curious as to how "The National" is going? Big crowds? Great finds?

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..except that Ted "{Black Sox Fan" got into my website, removed the Viagra ad, and signed my guestbook. Also offered to post some cards. I sent him 8--gosh. If he can get in with nothing my my user name and password. WHY CAN'T I?

Oh, and this was in his spare time while at the National!~

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Exactly. Where are all the board members with their Blackberries? We need instant up to the minute reponses.

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We must have some embedded reporters. The other networks like ABC, NBC do.................

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Posted By: Scott B

The show was great. I arrived at around 4:30 and busy scanning every table and done the whole floor at around 8:30. There were a lot more vintage materials than last year. Mastro displayed the whole Frank Nagy collection and it was unbelievable especially the condition of them. They will be available in their Dec auction. I guess it is time to save up $$$ now. However, IMO, his T206 Wagner was obviously overgraded...four rounded corners and graded GAI 3.5???

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any T208's in the Nagy/Mastro offering to be

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Are the Nagy cards authenticated? By which company? If PSA, will it be designated 'The Nagy Collection'? Just curious. Wish I was there as well.

At least the new Mastro preview is up online as of today. A lot of n172's that I will probably be outbid on.

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Edited to say: Talked to my buying friend and he said small crowd on day one.

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I could be wrong but I don't recall any T208 from Nagy's collection. Enjoy the pics. None of them have been graded yet but the T206 Wagner. Since they haven't been graded, Mastro has a sign saying Nagy's collection will not be removed for viewing.

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That is a great collection...

Joshua

PS Wishing I was there...alas, I have to wait another year and another 12 months of inflation.

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Posted By: Anonymous

thanks for posting..keep it coming

are those '51 topps current all-stars ?

..hmm
... that would be interesting if so

now i see it's the Connie Mack's..with Mack on top..and the mirror and smoke almost had me seeing double...a trick usually reserved for Johnny Walker

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there was a "armed guard" there at Mastro's table/booth right??? someone (maybe me) might of been temted to...umm, forget it thought it

pete-

***any zeenut buck weavers??

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armed guards?

...great

..what's next?

Mr Mintos hiring a Ninja Warrior attack team

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Posted By: Alan

How are the crowds ? What stuff is "moving" ?

WE NEED MORE PICTURES !!!!!

If the Nagy collection is as nice as the photo in the posting shows, Mastro will have to do a separate catalog just for that - and it will take in millions of dollars !!! Who now has a better collection than what Frank Nagy had ? Marshall Fogel, maybe ?

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Can SOMEONE who is attending the National PLEASE find out if MASTRO is going to have the collection GRADED before the auction???

I see some great cards (E90-1 Joe Jackson, E90-1 Mitchell, E90-2 Honus Wagner)...

but I know that I would feel more comfortable bidding on them if they are GRADED.

Also, please ask the Mastro people WHICH grading company they plan to use.

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted By: Julie

zow...

More NEWS! Does Terry K. have anything new (I mean old-new). How's the 19th century, price-wise as well as quantity and quality wise?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

HAL

All the cards I ever won from Frank's mail auctions during 15 years
were near mint (or as described). This was way before the grading
industry started. I would never question Frank Nagy's trustworthiness.

In the current environment in this hobby I can appreciate your concern.
I would guess Bill will have graded at least all the "big ticket" cards.
The entire collection is just too enormous to have it graded in
its entirety.

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Posted By: Bob Rousseau

I can't even imagine the thrill of being able to see all those great cards in one place. Looking at a Halper, etc. catalog is great, but actually being able to eyeball it all together? All those CJ's with Honus on top- sorta reminds me of those 'grab bag' Santa packs someone repackaged of late 50s Topps - what's underneath the top card!? Just those couple of photos made me want to move the camera around and see more!

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WE WANT MORE PICS, WE WANT MORE PICS! AWESOME NAGY COLLECTION!

Best regards,

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Posted By: Bill Kasel

because those cards are awesome! If anyone knows what Powerball numbers will be drawn on Saturday please send me and email. I'll give you 10%.

I was supposed to have a client meeting in Chicago today (live in Madison), but it was cancelled before I got more than 3 miles from my office. I had it all planned to hit the National afterwards....sigh....maybe in 2010 or whenever it returns to Chi-town.

Bill

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Posted By: Alan

Like I said ---

WE NEED MORE PICTURES FROM THE NATIONAL !!!!!
WE NEED MORE PICTURES FROM THE NATIONAL !!!!!
WE NEED MORE PICTURES FROM THE NATIONAL !!!!!
WE NEED MORE PICTURES FROM THE NATIONAL !!!!!
WE NEED MORE PICTURES FROM THE NATIONAL !!!!!
WE NEED MORE PICTURES FROM THE NATIONAL !!!!!
WE NEED MORE PICTURES FROM THE NATIONAL !!!!!
WE NEED MORE PICTURES FROM THE NATIONAL !!!!!

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I am pretty sure Mastro would grade Nagy's cards before they add them in their Dec auction. Mastro just got Nagy's collection recently and I guess they don't have time submitting them to PSA or GAI yet.

I don't grade my cards but I would think the E94(??) Cobb should be an 8 at least. E90-1 Joe Jackson around PSA 5 or 6. T206 Cobb back would be a 1 due to two spots of paper missing on the front.

May be just me.... I noticed Terry K. has less impressive stuffs this yr. But I don't collect 19th century stuffs so I could be wrong.

I guess we don't normally post pics of what we have seen in the National (at least not pics from the showcase). After I posted those pics and everyone wants to see more pics

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In the picture from the Nagy collection, what are those cards with the diamond motif, next to the T3 Mathewson?

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In the Nagy Collection, they have a 1933 Goudey Owen Carroll card with a completely white background. That card should have a light blue background. Any more info about this error/freakness would be appreciated.

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What are they?

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I think they might be those "notebook covers" that we hear about every now and then?

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Posted By: andy becker

the show is pretty good. nice selection of vintage material. i was there wednesday from 4-9 and today for a couple more hours. i picked up some neat football cabinets that i should post while leon is away . tik has nice stuff, as always. i didn't see the nagy collection, but i will tomorrow. sgc's display is unreal, too many high grade cracker jacks to list.....highlighted by an sgc 98 joe jax. and, my favorite the sgc 96 national chicle bronko nagurski. the crowds were pretty good size for a thursday afternoon. the weekend may be nuts. leon and scott's table is very cool. thanks again for the mello mint, leon!

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Posted By: Patrick McHugh

Just and i mean just got home from the show. Was there the last 3 days. Pre- war is on fire. Talked to one dealer 2 hours into the show. He had pre-war up into the 70s. 23,000 dollars in sales all pre-war. Another dealer, old judge kelly 9 sold, old judge delehanty 7.5 sold. I noticed that high grade or rare no matter what grade is hot. The Nagy collection is nice, very nice! Crowds were ok but i think the weekend will be better. For me the best part is meeting so many great people.

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Scott and Leon had a nice variety of cards available. There was a Dave's Vintage Cards from CA that had a ton of OJs, both raw and graded. I thought the Thursday crowd was kind of light, but all the dealers I asked said that the show was going pretty well.

Not much in the way of T205s and T200 Fatimas. But lots of interesting memorabilia. Saw an 1887 scorecard signed by Harry Wright.

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I took roughly 13k in cards and 10 k gone in first 3 hours. Anyone having pre war
could have sold out in the 4 day event.

I picked up some really nice stuff.....

was fun and the hotels were greaT !!!

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Posted By: Bob S. foulpole

Just curious....Many E cards?? E90-3's E94's E97's...E90-1 Joe Jax?
Waiting to hear tbob's E card report.

Bob S.

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Posted By: Bruce MacPherson

I attended on Thursday and found a relatively decent selection of E cards. Scott B and Gary N had a good amount and I was able to get a few cards from each. A saw a few 94s, but the prices are getting obscene. 90-2's and 3's were scarce but I was able to get a 90-3 Schulte from Scott. Gary had lots of 95s and 97s that I wanted but my money was gone after buying Ruth and Gehrig 33 goudey cards. Gary, if you have any of the 97s left, let me know.

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thanks for sharing for those of us that skipped this year......but, I'm trying to get "Gary N" to ring a bell in my memory...maybe i need more coffee

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Posted By: Bruce MacPherson

Gary N is Gary Nuchereno who had a table named Premiere sportcards (or something like that). A real nice guy who had some of the best looking high grade 97s and other caramels that I have ever seen. I dont believe the high grade cards were for sale-but I probably could not have afforded them even if they were.

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An interesting show. It was way better organized and in a much better facility than Cleveland. Anything pre WWI is on fire. Prices were much higher than last year and dealers were not moving on them much. Inventory seemed lower than last year. Those who did negotiate, or who had inventory that was not repriced recently, had their stuff gobbled up by dealers before the show even opened. The show was picked clean on set-up day except for full retail sellers and sellers with stuff that was just hard to go through. I heard lots of "you just missed it; another dealer bought it" stories and I was there on friggin' Wednesday evening! Most of the good prewar deals I got were from soruces that either hadn't updated large inventory prices or who had stuff buried in unappealing piles. I came home with a lot of cards, but nothing earth-shattering. It was more of a fill in the holes show. I did find some really great boxing stuff this year (unlike last year) but that's O/T. Some picks:

E135 Collins McCarthy McGraw
E105 Mello Mint Lajoie (thanks John Billingsley)
E90-1 Chance, Collins, Clarke
several 1930 and 1931 Zeenuts commons in ex-ex+
W517 Heilman [sic] and Wilson
W517 Mini O'Doul, Vance, Klein
1949 Japanese bromide O'Doul (thanks Gary Engel)
1926-29 PC back exhibits Scott and Meusel
1931 Exhibit 4 0n 1 Lazzeri-Dickey-Pennock-Coombs ad back
1922 Exhibit Ross Young [sic]
W cards of Kid Gleason and Grover Alexander
1947 Signal oil Ernie Lombardi
1952 Mother's Cookies O'Doul
1920s AZO PC of Christy Mathewson and Harry Greb (middleweight champ)

I also picked up a stack of exhibits about a foot tall.

The social scene was great. Put lots of names to faces. Went to dinner the 1st 2 nights at a fine steak house with several board members. Kudos to our peerless leader for the party on Friday night--very well attended (wait till someone posts the group photos), good food. We are getting old, though--most of us found the bar too noisy to stay at and went back to the hotel for drinks. I understand that some of the auction houses had some nice events but being a low-roller, I wasn't at those.

Next year we are kicking around the idea of an auction at the dinner for N54 attendees.

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Since my other post dealt more with personalities, this will be strictly cards. The one common complaint was that there were way too many buyers and not enough cards. I bought a nice graded M116 Vic Willis from Tom Witek and a tough, tough graded M116 Rebel Oakes from him which wasn't at the show. Tom's prices were reasonable. I picked up a PSA 2 Honus Wagner blue background from Scott B. which looked much better than a 2, nice eye appeal. That was it for Sporting Life cards. Scott was the only dealer who had more than a handful and most had none. Sporting Lifes, alas, are starting to dry up just like everything else. Caramels were almost non-existent. I bought an SGC 60 Evers and 60 Wiltse from the E95 set and a handful of E97s in 20s and 30s for decent prices from Gary N. The E98s were simply not there. A few, mostly trimmed or overpriced. E94s? Fuggetaboutit! 4 cards in the whole frigging hall. A trimmed red Evers, an SGC 40 Turner which sold for $475, a high grade red Wagner which I didn't see and an authentic trimmed olive Lord which will be in an auction. That's it. You can say all you want about the scarcity of the other caramel card sets but the E94s have dried up. Period. Good luck bidding on Nagy's. I talked to Doug Allen and the E94s will be graded. Cobb (gold) will probably be an 84 or better. The rest of the group of 23 may be sold in one lot. (Horrors!) The Wagner and Young may be sold separately if they grade high enough but look for most in one lot. That will kill the average collector. We can only look for someone to buy it, break it up and sell them individually on ebay, card by card.
On the E97s, there was a Rossman in PSA 2 which sold for $500. No I didn't misplace a decimal place. Low to mid grade caramels flew out of the dealer's display cases at much higher than current book or ebay prices. E90-1s were relatively scarce also.
As far as the tobacco cards go, T210s are getting ridiculous. Commons in vg to vgex in Series 1 and 2 were going for $75 to 85 each. There were no scarce back T207s to be found. Of the 60-70 toughies, I didn't didn't see a single one. I saw some commons though in mixed condition. Going for more than they do on ebay. Tons of T206s. I disagree on the T205s. I thought there were a lot of them, especially in very low or very high grade. Not much in the way of vgex to exmt, either F to G/VG or NRMT. Both were overpriced in my mind.
There were some E93s and I was able to buy some at decent prices. I bought a Chance in PSA 4 for $300, a G/VG Jones for $30. I thought the E93s of all the caramels were the most plentiful and best bargains.
Lots of Old Judges. Some priced out of sight but some priced about what they sell in auctions but generally more than they sell for on ebay.
It was a seller's market, pure and simple. Dealers are having a tough time replenishing their stock and so are raising their prices. Although I received a nice profit on the E98s I sold on ebay, had I taken them to National I really could have made a killing.

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Posted By: Dan Koteles

I had my Weaver sgc 50 Cycle back w/me and it went to Wayne Varner....

sorry we didnt have much time to talk.

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Posted By: Zach

I just got back in from the airport and it was a hell of a nice time. Meeting and talking at the dinner was very cool...i've never held an e107 wagner and matty(andy baron's). In general I think all the prices were pretty high except for the fair amount of 50's and 60's we picked up in solid vg-ex. All in all good show and great to see and meet everyone. No scans yet but here's a list at the damage. Alson thanks again to all who I bought from. Lots of thanks to leon and scott b. also to ryan c. for sitting down and talking cuban and negro league cards with us and starting us off with a Martin Dihigo.
-Wilbur Robinson W-issue
-Max Carey w-issue
-Messitt-t210
-Earl Weaver-1969 topps
-Devore-1915 cracker jack
-Eddie Collins-t206
-Walter Johnson-t206 port.
-John Mcgraw-t206 port.
-Joe Doyle-e95
-Fred Clarke-t206
-Rebel Oakes-e90-1
-Hazen Cuyler-1933 Goudey
-Bob Gibson-1971 Topps
-Willie Mccovey-1971 topps
-Red Schoendienst-1958 topps
-Richie Ashburn-1960 topps
-Al kaline-1960 topps
-Hank Aaron-1967 topps
-Dave Bancroft-e121
-Eark Averill-Diamond stars
-Amos Strunk-t207-psa 4
-Jim Bunning-1959 topps
-William Harridge-1956 topps
-Warren Giles-1956 topps
-Early Wynn-1955 Bowman
-Billy Williams-1966 topps
-Jim Hunter-1967 topps
-Casey Stengal-1965 topps
-Martin Dihigo-1946 issue ?....bought from Ryan maybe he could chime in..I cant find it on his site
Thats it and a few 50's and 60's cards that I purchased because of their odd name.

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You ever notice that there are some dealers who do not seem to sell anything? In Cleveland I found a dealer with some exhibit cards I wanted but his prices were outlandish and he had no interest in negotiating so I skipped his table. He was there again in CHI with the same cards, same prices and same no-sales.

OJ Simpson was there. His appearance was unannounced, probably to avoid an asset seizure action by the families of the people he murdered. Lots of people were going $100 a pop for sigs and pics with him. I guess the old adage is true: publicity is publicity as long as they spell your name right.

There was a full table of hookers, er, Playboy playmates. I am pleased to note that they were doing no business I could see.

Speaking of hookers, four of us shared a cab ride to the dinner with a cabbie who was bound and determined to get us drugs and hookers for the night. He kepytpressing us to take strip club cards and offering us some "real dessert" after dinner. I was tempted to tell him we were in on a bible conference.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Biggest news from my perspective is got offered a job to write a regular column. The only thing I bought was a retro 70s cap of the Giants for my son that he liked, and that was it. I spent most of my time stopping and talking to dealers and collectors I had not seen in 15 years or more. I saw a lot of cards I would like to have bought, but this was more a trip about meeting people than buying cards for me.

It didn't take long before it was just like old times. Once I had a made a lap around the place and people knew I was around, I got asked to check some things out for authenticity and and just general brain picking for some ofthe obscure knowledge I have. I had a blast, but I have no desire to get back into as a dealer on a regular basis.

Jay

My place is full of valuable, worthless junk.

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Posted By: Alan

Seriously, what did you all do in the evenings after the show & after dinner ? Hang out at the hotel bars & have a couple cold ones talking about the hell that so & so card wasn't vg-ex ????

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Posted By: leon

You pretty much got it. Each night I, and several others, went back to the Sofitel (a nice hotel across the street from the National and across the street from where Scott B. and I were staying) and had a few cold ones. I think it was a big mistake for any auction house not to be there. There will be an exciting consignment in Mastro's Dec. auction because they made the trip...and were as hospitable as ever. Bill Mastro wanted one of my cards for consigment and made a little concession but I wasn't interested. With things that transpired, and all things considered, they got a cherry in the end......regards

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