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Old 02-14-2011, 12:09 AM
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Default Signed T206 Bender

I've moved my response to the main board here because something is awry. Naturally, if we've got a real signed T206 Bender here, I'm going to be all in ....even in this condition.

But here's the card:

Here's the purported LOA:

And here's the problem with the description in the LOA:

These are the Lot #11 auctions from Mastro in Spring 2005:

Neither is the Bender. Something appears amiss....

Also a search of all Bender related 206 items turns up no signed T206 of Bender -- you can search here:

In fact, a "bender autographed" search -- using the language from the LOA's description of the title -- turns up only the following, none a signed T206:

Auction Lot# Title Min Bid Final Price Status
November 2010 518 "The Athletics - World's Champions 1913" Signed Dinner Program Inside Cover (19 Signatures) Including Plank, Bender, Baker and Collins $300.00 $11,257.50 OVER
Mastro April 2006 1208 Hall of Famers Autographed Ball with Alexander, Baker, Bender, Hooper, Johnson, Nichols, Speaker and Pennock $500.00 $3,614.30 OVER
Classic February 2006 216 1960 Nu-Card Hi-Lites Complete Set (72) and 1950-1955 W576 Callahan Near Master Set (87) $100.00 $1,194.98 OVER
MastroNet December 2005 1222 1950-56 Callahan Hall of Fame Near Master Set (90) with Six Autographed Including DiMaggio $200.00 $1,205.55 OVER
Classic October 2005 48 Extensive 1939-2003 Hall of Fame Postcard Collection (232) $100.00 $282.00 OVER
MastroNet Winter 2004 567 Early Hall of Famers Autographed 3" x 5" Sized Collection with Cobb, Foxx, Ott, etc. (23 Different) $900.00 $5,768.40 OVER
MastroNet Spring 2004 700 Hall of Fame Autographed Original Photo Collection (4) $400.00 $2,132.10 OVER
MastroNet Spring 2004 1782 1940 and 1941 Play Ball Complete Sets (2) $1,000.00 $6,412.40 OVER
MastroNet Winter 2003 1761 Hall of Famers and Superstars Signed Photos Collection (43) $200.00 $1,428.30 OVER
MastroNet Summer 2003 758 1921 Testimonial Dinner Program Signed by Ty Cobb, Chief Bender and Ed Walsh $400.00 $1,321.35 OVER
Oser December 2001 331 1939 Who's Who in Baseball Autographed Book $300.00 $4,158.40 OVER
5-2001 574 Chief Bender Autographed 1904 Athletics Team Picture, Matted $400.00 $0.00 OVER
11-2000 1529 1940's-1960's Philadelphia Phillies Vintage Grab-Bag Collection $150.00 $341.55 OVER
10-2000 106 All-Time Hall of Famers Autographed Ball - $200.00 $1,071.80 OVER
9-2000 109 Autographed Baseball with Cy Young, Chief Bender, Kid Nichols, etc. $600.00 $1,794.00 OVER

Did I miss something? Perhaps not all of MastroNets auctions are available for a historic browse? Can anyone explain any of this, other than what currently appears obvious to me, i.e., that we're dealing with a forged LOA from James Spence?

I'd really like this card to be real, if for no other reason than it would be a great addition to the collecting community. But what is going on here?
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:21 AM
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Maybe from a live auction? Can Spence or mastro verify auction?
Red ink looks cool on the card hope it pans out for you.
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Old 02-14-2011, 12:42 AM
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That kinda sucks
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:01 AM
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I'm sure that a subsequent Letter of Authenticity vouching for the original Letter of Authenticity (concerning the "signed" Bender card) would clear this whole situation up...
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Old 02-14-2011, 01:10 AM
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Default hmmm...

A lot looks off here...
The date corresponds to the Classic auction, yet is titled MastroNet Auction which was held in April. The lot does not match anywhere on the website...
Moreover, the letter does not look correct and I believe items in the Feb.(Classic) were still Spence/PSA and then in April the final transition was made and JSA formed its own entity.

Lastly, the signature just does not look right and seems more likely to come from a CCSA auction than Mastro...
I'd like to give Brandon the benefit of the doubt and think he was not out to sting anybody...based on previous items he has sold, they look legit...perhaps he got stung on this one.

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Old 02-14-2011, 01:18 AM
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The seller should get this card slabbed before he offers it for sale. It would make him more money and provide peace of mind to both the buyer and seller. Also, how would a buyer know this LOA is for this particular card? Being a graphic designer, I could make one of those certificates in a few minutes on my computer.
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Old 02-14-2011, 03:46 AM
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doesn't spence usually scan the item he authenticates and prints it right on the loa? not too familiar with the whole process, but the letter does give off an amateurish vibe even if it's real.
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Old 02-14-2011, 07:55 AM
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This maybe means nothing, but the signature was put on the card after it had been heavily creased. The ink goes smoothly across the areas of broken cardboard. I don't pay much attention to signed cards, but I think most are in better shape that this. At least they were in better shape at the time they were signed.

Given the fishy LOA, my guess is that somebody bought the cheapest Bender he could find and put a signature on it. This card has at least three strikes against it.
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Old 02-14-2011, 08:17 AM
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FWIW, I had a lot of conversations with the seller on another item he had for sale. While we never made a deal, he seemed unfishy, if such is a word. That doesn't mean that unfishy people don't end up with fishy items sometimes.

The Chief lived until 1954, which would have given the T206 plenty of time to get I would not make that a damning characteristic.

I'm not saying it is real, but I am saying it is up in the air from my perspective.
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Old 02-14-2011, 09:06 AM
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Pls everyone, give him a chance to respond again before jumping to conclusions, he hasn't ducked anything and has been open so far...
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