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Old 02-10-2005, 02:22 AM
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Posted By: jay behrens

Is the cleaning that was done to the Keeler something you want to be made aware of even if it doesn't alter the card in any way other than making it look better?

As an example, how would you answer the following question? I originally posed a similar question without the centering being involved because I wanted all things about the cards being equal except the cleaning up of the card and was told I should have posed the question this way.

you are offered two VG/EX 33 Goudey Babe Ruth cards. One is 70/30 centering with honest wear on the corners with decent eye appeal. The other is 50/50 centering, honest wear on the corners with killer eye appeal and you know the original owners initials were written lighly on the back. The writting was easily removed and was not longer detected. The surface is as original as the day it was printed. Which card would you rather have?

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Old 02-10-2005, 06:26 AM
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

I don't believe that there can be agreement on philosophical discussions about cards. However, my 40% of a nickel is that if something is undetectable, it does not exist; independent of whether it formerly existed. Therefore, I prefer the card which is detectably in superior condition.

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Old 02-10-2005, 06:55 AM
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Posted By: leon

Very philosophical and is dependant on each persons view. Mine is absolutely if you take something off of a card that wasn't supposed to be there in the first place it's no harm no foul......visual appeal is my main focus and o/c cards have much less of it than cards with soft corners. To each their own.....later

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Old 02-10-2005, 08:12 AM
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Posted By: steve k

I will not buy a baseball card that has pencil, ink, or other marks received after the card was printed. Erased or not doesn't matter.

Something like the writing on Julie's Black Sox ticket is different. I have bought sports tickets with writing on them.

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Old 02-10-2005, 08:44 AM
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

Are you willing to negotiate a little regarding "pencil, ink or other marks" on cards which may be acceptable to you?

For example: some feel that genuine autographs can be acceptable, others collect counterstamped card backs, while writing reportedly done by highly visible hobbiests, such as Barker on OJ blank backs, actually add to the card's provenance, in the opinion of several.

These comprimizes to the "no marks" position of many collectors, only serves to open the door for further comprimizing. For me, that comprimizing extends beyond the requirement of "no distinuishable marks" through my actual position of - getting the best example of a card which I need without unnecessarilly financially impairing my ability to obtain the other cards which I need.

How about you?

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Posted By: warshawlaw

We've been over this before. It is illegal in my state to sell a cleaned card w/o disclosure.

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Posted By: HW

Warshawlaw,

Does that law define exactly what is legal to do and what is not? For instance, if I lived in California and I erased a small pencil mark off the back of my Zeenut, and then sold it on ebay without documenting it, would I be committing a crime?

I understand the need to disclose trimming, restoring corners and coloring borders, but what about removing something that was not originally there. To use the extreme example that was referenced in another thread, what if I accidentally spilled a drop of my Coke on the card, could I remove it?

I am not trying to be funny or make light of the subject, but am just trying to understand the the spirit of this law.

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Posted By: Scott Forrest

Adam - what is the definition? For instance, if a chunk of peanut butter fell off my sandwich onto a card, could I dab it off with a wet cloth without disclosing it upon re-sell? What about bits of dried tobacco on a t206 - can I clean those off? ...or does California regard both actions as basically the same?

I understand that we've been over it before, but I have the same view-point on "cleaning" as Leon - if it wasn't there to begin with, and you can remove it without damaging the card, you should be free to. But if that action is something that might keep a reputable grading company from slabbing it, you should disclose, for example, erasures.

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Scott,

In terms to erasures, what about a light pencil mark that does not leave an impression, and cannot be detected, even by a grading service?

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Posted By: steve k

Gilbert - Actually my "no marks policy" goes beyond that with baseball cards. It's also no rips or tears, no printed area paper loss, no holes such as tack holes, and no glue or tape marks. Stains such as wax, gum, tobacco are acceptable depending on the card because to me that was part of the card in the distribution process. A very tough card with these stains, well centered, with honest wear doesn't bother me and these are in my collection. I understand what you are saying about the OJ cards and other collectables.

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