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Old 01-16-2019, 09:46 PM
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Default 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth #181 Is this one real?

So I bought a ton of cards from a collector today and inside was a 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth. Looks old and feels old, but after looking online I cannot find a definitive answer. So I was wanting to get an idea before I pay a couple hundred bucks to send it in to PSA. So help me out please! I attached pics so hopefully I did it right.

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it is a reprint
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Old 01-16-2019, 09:58 PM
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Save your money - it looks like a reprint to me too.
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No good.

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looks good on surface
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looks good on surface
It does not. 100% fake.
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I personally doubt it is authentic, but if you ever have a card of questionable authenticity, financially I would think it makes more sense to send it to Beckett first since they tend to base their fees on turnaround time rather than cost of the item. While I don't believe that Beckett is as good as PSA or SGC, I would assume they would do a reasonably competent job of identifying a card as authentic. If it is not, you wasted $40. If a card is real and Beckett slabs it, you can always cross to PSA.
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Reprint.
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Old 01-17-2019, 06:56 AM
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Whomever doesn't see that is a reprint, in a split second, hasn't been doing this long enough. It is laughable it is so bad.
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Not everyone sees the signs that it is a fake. Those who say it is a fake should give their reasons. This way the OP can learn to detect these in the future.

Just saying its a fake really doesn't help the OP.
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What makes everyone so sure it is a reprint? I thought it was when I got it, but I have no clue.
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What makes everyone so sure it is a reprint? I thought it was when I got it, but I have no clue.
A real one is now next to the poor looking fake in your first post. See the differences in print quality? Yours looks all washed out compared to the other real one that looks crisp. That is how to tell.
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What makes everyone so sure it is a reprint? I thought it was when I got it, but I have no clue.
Send it to tpg’er if you think its real.
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Many, myself included, are hesitant to list the noticeable signs that it is fake on the internet since counterfeiters can learn from that information. However, this one, as Leon suggests, is not a good fake. No one who has looked at several thousand 1933 Goudeys over the years would need more than about half a second to assess that it looks all wrong. It's like looking at a picture of Daniel Day-Lewis in costume as Abraham Lincoln and recognizing that he's supposed to look like Lincoln, and he does kinda look like Lincoln I suppose, but it's obvious that it isn't a photo of Lincoln himself. If you had to say what the evidence is you could certainly do it, but it just feels sort of self-evident if you've grown up seeing pictures of Lincoln.
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Many, myself included, are hesitant to list the noticeable signs that it is fake on the internet since counterfeiters can learn from that information. However, this one, as Leon suggests, is not a good fake. No one who has looked at several thousand 1933 Goudeys over the years would need more than about half a second to assess that it looks all wrong. It's like looking at a picture of Daniel Day-Lewis in costume as Abraham Lincoln and recognizing that he's supposed to look like Lincoln, and he does kinda look like Lincoln I suppose, but it's obvious that it isn't a photo of Lincoln himself. If you had to say what the evidence is you could certainly do it, but it just feels sort of self-evident if you've grown up seeing pictures of Lincoln.
Agreed! Also...what did this large collection consist of? Cards from 80’s-present with a goudey ruth thrown in? Use your head. Look for comparables on the internet...it only takes a few minutes. And if you don’t have the ability to critically analyze these cards to determine if they’re real or fake you should not be buying them ungraded.
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Many, myself included, are hesitant to list the noticeable signs that it is fake on the internet since counterfeiters can learn from that information. However, this one, as Leon suggests, is not a good fake. No one who has looked at several thousand 1933 Goudeys over the years would need more than about half a second to assess that it looks all wrong. It's like looking at a picture of Daniel Day-Lewis in costume as Abraham Lincoln and recognizing that he's supposed to look like Lincoln, and he does kinda look like Lincoln I suppose, but it's obvious that it isn't a photo of Lincoln himself. If you had to say what the evidence is you could certainly do it, but it just feels sort of self-evident if you've grown up seeing pictures of Lincoln.
Exactly! How many times have we seen this? One or 2 posts from a newbie when the info is gathered and then never heard from again.
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Many, myself included, are hesitant to list the noticeable signs that it is fake on the internet since counterfeiters can learn from that information. However, this one, as Leon suggests, is not a good fake. No one who has looked at several thousand 1933 Goudeys over the years would need more than about half a second to assess that it looks all wrong. It's like looking at a picture of Daniel Day-Lewis in costume as Abraham Lincoln and recognizing that he's supposed to look like Lincoln, and he does kinda look like Lincoln I suppose, but it's obvious that it isn't a photo of Lincoln himself. If you had to say what the evidence is you could certainly do it, but it just feels sort of self-evident if you've grown up seeing pictures of Lincoln.
i agree. the guy asked if it was real because he didn’t want to waste money sending it to psa. the responses he received tells him he would be wasting that money. so I think telling him it’s fake does help him.
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No reason to be rude. I already said I thought it was a fake. I know he would not have given it up if it was real. Just wanted peoples opinions before I paid money for it. is the first time i have had my hands on a Goudey real or fake. Everything I found the internet was less then helpful. I know it is still an old card worth next to nothing, but i was curious. Didn't mean to offend any professionals on here, just the first one in have had. Everything else I got from him is 100% authentic. This was one I wasnt sure about. Thanks you to everyone who helped without being a jerk. The rest of you, relax, it was just a damn question.
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I didn't really see anyone being a jerk or rude? I had said it was easy to tell and not even close. Then I put a real one next to your fake one in the first post so you could see for yourself. You might need a bit thicker skin if you think folks were being a jerk. They weren't. They were trying to be helpful. My 22 yrs old daughter is also anti-confrontational. She wouldn't do well here.

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No reason to be rude. I already said I thought it was a fake. I know he would not have given it up if it was real. Just wanted peoples opinions before I paid money for it. is the first time i have had my hands on a Goudey real or fake. Everything I found the internet was less then helpful. I know it is still an old card worth next to nothing, but i was curious. Didn't mean to offend any professionals on here, just the first one in have had. Everything else I got from him is 100% authentic. This was one I wasnt sure about. Thanks you to everyone who helped without being a jerk. The rest of you, relax, it was just a damn question.
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You weren't the one being rude. People kept saying that I should know and how in the world could I not know. When I have never had one of these before. I had seen one like your picture before, but I wasnt sure about mine because it was darker. It's still an old card, just wish it would have been legit.
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Sometimes you just gotta say, "What the Fake"
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That wasn't even a good fake.
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You weren't the one being rude. People kept saying that I should know and how in the world could I not know. When I have never had one of these before. I had seen one like your picture before, but I wasnt sure about mine because it was darker. It's still an old card, just wish it would have been legit.
It appears to be a "Dover Reprint" in that the perforated corners/edges appear to have been filed down. The printing is washed out and the foundation appears to be artificially aged. I'm willing to be the construction is also not close to legit 1933 Goudeys.
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It feels thicker then a normal card. I have never had my hands on any Goudey's. I don't believe the card is artificially aged. I legitimately think the card is old. Probably from the 60's is my guess. So if someone can possibly help me out on what year they think it may be, I would appreciate it.
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