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Old 03-22-2019, 06:58 AM
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I collect mostly midgrade, so cannot speak to the discrepancy in high grade or what prices they bring. I'm more than happy with the SGC cards I own, but am not trying to sell them at the moment. For things like corners and overall grade I have always thought they are very comparable to PSA - and their holder and customer service are several notches above.
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Old 03-22-2019, 12:11 PM
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For example
I bought a sgc 92 54 red heart musial for way too much...it sold for almost a thousand at auction
A psa 7 in same auction fetched almost the same amount.
I can say one thing for sure.
I won't be buying sgc cards anymore.

Sooooo…. you overpaid, and somehow it's SGCs fault?



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Old 03-22-2019, 12:49 PM
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Sooooo…. you overpaid, and somehow it's SGCs fault?
#Snicker. I see what he means, it's a bit surprising (and more than a bit disappointing if you need to get the $ out of them...) that NM PSA cards sell for nearly as much as NM-MT+ or higher SGC cards. But alas...this is why I collect PSA 5 and 6's.
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Old 03-23-2019, 12:48 AM
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I don't blame anyone for my decisions in buying high grade sgc vintage cards and selling within a year after purchase at a loss
I kept my favorite cards...a friend of mine told me to collect what u like and hold
I like obviously Robinson, Mays, Aaron in early years and have kept.
Mantle is out of control
What I am saying is that I've bought in the last 12 months lots of sgc 88s and psa 8s...all below vcp and I've done super on the psa cards and got my ass handed to me on sgcs
Psa is hard on corners and centering
Sgc is also but not as much...they are different...surface is one of their biggest concerns
People buy eye appeal and psa cards have much better corners and centering in general creating that.
Bottom line... it took a my hard head to realize it...
Psa is safe and u r much better owning PSA
I have talked to every major auction house in the hobby
Ask them what to buy. They will say psa by far.
Mid grade vintage sgcs at 4 are comparable to psa .
But high grades in 6 or better
Psa suffocates sgc


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Old 03-24-2019, 01:48 AM
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Again, I have no proof per se - but just saying if a card or group of cards from a particular set is less commonly available than others, in general I would expect the PSA graded cards to sell for more than SGC.
U post frequently
I do not know what u collect
But your posts are intelligent
I put comments out there to get reactions
I stir the pot to get people talking.
If u collect to have certain cards, that is really what the hobby is all about
Enjoyment.
Unfortunately, it has become a money issue..
Sucks!
I don't care about psa or sgc.
I know the sgc president and he's a frickin great guy and fair.
But if u r looking for a fair investment which any reasonable person would...sgc is probably not the way to go.
I'd wait on buying sgc unless it's a super star.
I took a bath on high grade sgc 88s..hall of famers like plank, lajoie recently but made great money on similar names at psa
Not fair.
But I would not buy a sgc card anymore unless its 50 percent less than psa smr.

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Old 03-24-2019, 08:21 AM
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Does anyone here think SGC will ever close the gap with PSA? I buy PSA graded but submit with SGC do to the price of grading.
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:21 PM
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Does anyone here think SGC will ever close the gap with PSA? I buy PSA graded but submit with SGC do to the price of grading.
I hope they do because I think they are the better company in terms of presentation of their product, and their customer service. But I would not hold my breath. PSA got up a huge head of steam in their marketing and "desirability" early due to the introduction of the registry. The fact that they are inconsistent (tough on cards in the 1990's - easier - noticeably on vintage - in the early 2000's. Slowly tougher on everything in the early 2010's. Really and in some cases ridiculously tough on vintage after 2015...) doesn't seem to matter for whatever reason in terms of popularity and the prices their cards bring. Also they had a lot of press and publicity over grading the Gretzky Wagner back 20+ years ago - and yes, although they blew it - nobody really cared.

SGC if nothing else will maintain an even keel due to their popularity with prewar collectors and the fact that if not #1, people know they are a solid company with a good rep - and they are not hated like Beckett among vintage collectors.
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Old 03-27-2019, 12:48 AM
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I would not put raw cards in sgc if you are confident about the grade
Psa sells for 2x what sgc does sometimes higher
If u buy sgc be prepared to get sgc prices back
If u buy psa expect to get a nice percentage back overtime

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Old 03-28-2019, 07:36 AM
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I would not put raw cards in sgc if you are confident about the grade
Psa sells for 2x what sgc does sometimes higher
If u buy sgc be prepared to get sgc prices back
If u buy psa expect to get a nice percentage back overtime

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Grading is an afterthought to me on most things and not a requirement. I buy graded (mostly PSA) online to try to reduce the risk even on midgrade, but the only company I've ever submitted to is SGC. Other places online besides this forum, and all you ever hear about are the horror stories with PSA turn times, people who haven't seen their cards for 6 months, etc, etc. I'm not signing up for that.
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This is a fun, although difficult read at times....given all that is going on today.
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Old 05-31-2019, 02:06 PM
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This is a fun, although difficult read at times....given all that is going on today.
I think we are learning for a fact what many have suspected for a long time - the "professional" grading companies at times are anything but professional, and a lot of mistakes and skullduggery even sometimes sneaks through. I'd love to see PSA take a grandiose fall from this mess with PWCC and the alterations, but even now that's probably a long shot...
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I think we are learning for a fact what many have suspected for a long time - the "professional" grading companies at times are anything but professional, and a lot of mistakes and skullduggery even sometimes sneaks through. I'd love to see PSA take a grandiose fall from this mess with PWCC and the alterations, but even now that's probably a long shot...
I have been saying that for many many years, hopefully it finally happens.

On a good note I sold my last high dollar(to me) PSA card about a month ago.
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I have been saying that for many many years, hopefully it finally happens.

On a good note I sold my last high dollar(to me) PSA card about a month ago.
Good for you. I still have a number of PSA slabs, but most are hopefully mid-grade and low dollar enough to where I should not have to worry. I hope nobody out there doctored my PSA 6.5 '70 Nolan Ryan...but who knows.

Increasingly online I go after SGC. It sucks though that there are so few choices there still compared to PSA.
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Old 06-23-2019, 02:49 AM
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PSA is the benchmark...
I have posted on here many times.
PSA cards are not generally better than sgc
PSA is hard on corners but sgc is hard on surface and eye appeal.
Corners aren't everything...
I like needle corners...
PSA has the market and sgc has alot of work to do.


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Old 06-23-2019, 02:58 AM
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Have you read any of the recent PWCC / Moser fraud threads? PSA is awful at grading cards. SGC is getting identified as passing $50,000 cards as unaltered. Would love to see your take. I'm up in the middle of the night today too.
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Old 06-23-2019, 03:00 AM
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The problem is PSA has the cool registry
Sgc doesn't
I have cracked out PSA 8 cards that I thought were 8.5 and came back as 7.5.
I've cracked out sgc 88s that came back as 7s and 8s and one 8.5
It's a frickin crap shoot guys.
PSA has become very very over the top in grading.
Mostly because they r very busy and have dummies grading cards.
Most of u folks reading this know more about grading cards than the clowns PSA has grading.
They are very busy and they suck.
Sgc will give u better service and a realistic value on your investment or hobby

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Old 06-23-2019, 03:28 AM
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U post frequently
I do not know what u collect
But your posts are intelligent
I put comments out there to get reactions
I stir the pot to get people talking.
If u collect to have certain cards, that is really what the hobby is all about
Enjoyment.
Unfortunately, it has become a money issue..
Sucks!
I don't care about psa or sgc.
I know the sgc president and he's a frickin great guy and fair.
But if u r looking for a fair investment which any reasonable person would...sgc is probably not the way to go.
I'd wait on buying sgc unless it's a super star.
I took a bath on high grade sgc 88s..hall of famers like plank, lajoie recently but made great money on similar names at psa
Not fair.
But I would not buy a sgc card anymore unless its 50 percent less than psa smr.

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I don't know much about pwcc
My good friend has said and has decades of experience that pwcc can't be trusted
Many shenanigans
The best companies are mile high and rea
Heritage is corrupt I think too

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Old 06-26-2019, 01:39 AM
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I have recently seen an uptick in 1933 Indian gum cards
They are the most beautiful cards in the hobby
They are extremely rare
Any thoughts?
They might be the way to go....history and very very cool.

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Old 06-29-2019, 01:08 AM
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I saw on pwcc recently what Indian gum cards are selling for.
WOW!
I've been following them in the last year.
They are sky rocketing in price by 30x in some cases.
They are so rare and hard to find.
Supply and demand I guess.

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Old 06-29-2019, 08:47 AM
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All I know right now is that if I am looking to buy an expensive, high grade card...I am not even considering it if it's in a PSA holder. Not with all this
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All I know right now is that if I am looking to buy an expensive, high grade card...I am not even considering it if it's in a PSA holder. Not with all this
+1, and many collectors feel the same. For me this has led to a greater appreciation of lower grade cards again. If you have a mid-to-lower 1950's star I think for the most part both PSA and SGC are going to be safe. I really hope someone hasn't doctored a '57 Clemente from a 1 to a 3 - but for the 3 you can probably get it for $100 or less. And in many cases they still have a ton of eye appeal.
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Ill still be buying at the national if you have them to sell. i would prefer in this market to buy them in person though so i can make a good assessment. I'll be set up with Andy Madec please feel free to stop by with what you have for sale.
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Old 07-18-2019, 01:26 AM
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I will say
My 1933 Indian gum cards graded by sgc are unbelievable....excellent
The ones ive seen graded by psa and im only saying this set compared to psa at same grade is not even close.
I can't believe the discrepancy...
I don't know who grades Indian gum cards at psa but sgc is a much better clue.
Ive seen psa Indian cards at 5 that are 3s in sgc
In this set psa lost it.

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