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Old 02-06-2019, 10:38 PM
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Default Mantle/DiMaggio/Williams autograph opinions needed please

Hi Everyone,

First time posting, so please let me know if this is in the wrong spot to inquire.

Was referred to this message board as we have a few signed jerseys that were recently inherited that we would like to have an opinion on. They're Mitchell & Ness and we're guessing signed in the late 80's early to mid 90's, if there are genuine.

Not looking to sell them, just wanted to know what we have and if it's worth the cost to send them to PSA-DNA to further authenticate.

Any help or guidance is appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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Old 02-07-2019, 01:22 AM
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Those look like fake jerseys, produced in China very recently. The shoddy stitch work is a dead giveaway. No way Mantle and Williams could have possibly signed them.
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Old 02-07-2019, 06:33 AM
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The Joe D is absolutely fake

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Old 02-07-2019, 07:15 AM
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Dimaggio and Mantle are fakes IMO. I think the Williams is as well, but not as certain as the other 2.
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Old 02-07-2019, 09:57 AM
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All garbage
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Old 02-07-2019, 03:01 PM
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Theyre not garbage jerseys, the jerseys look to be real jerseys from Mitchell & Ness. I completely agree that the DiMaggio is garbage, but I would be interested to here more detail why you guys think the Mantle and Williams are bad. You have to take in some account for writing on fabric. I used to have a wholesale account with Mitchell and Ness in the early 90s and used to get a fair number of jerseys signed. I have not seen that particular neck tag, but they were a very small company in the early 90s. I get the feeling my question will likely go unanswered, but if someone wants to go in to greater detail Im all ears.
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Old 02-07-2019, 03:48 PM
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They’re not garbage jerseys, the jerseys look to be real jerseys from Mitchell & Ness. I completely agree that the DiMaggio is garbage, but I would be interested to here more detail why you guys think the Mantle and Williams are bad. You have to take in some account for writing on fabric. I used to have a wholesale account with Mitchell and Ness in the early 90’s and used to get a fair number of jerseys signed. I have not seen that particular neck tag, but they were a very small company in the early 90’s. I get the feeling my question will likely go unanswered, but if someone wants to go in to greater detail I’m all ears.
Those are fake jerseys from China. Made within the last 5 years. I've ordered several before to wear around and not care about damaging or staining a real jersey. They cost $20 (less in bulk.) They look very real if you don't know what a real jersey looks and feels like. They put all the tags on them, in all the right places, and with similar colors and fonts. Even a generic hologram on the label.

The biggest tell is the fabric. It's cheap, flimsy, and smooth to the touch. The real M&N Yankees jerseys have a sturdier wool-like fabric like the real ones from the 50's. The shoulder patches on the fakes are plastic-y and stiff. Look at the stitching on the labels. Some aren't straight and don't even have the sides stitched at all. The letters and the numbers are also cheap pieces of felt stitched on with a single line of thread, unlike the real jerseys which are cross stitched all around. The differences are very subtle. That's why they're deceptive.

Forgers do this because they know the jersey will fool 99% of buyers, who likely don't know what a $300 Mitchell & Ness jersey looks like. Also for economic reasons. The forgers likely ordered a bulk shipment of these (it's not hard, just e-mail the vendors in the sweatshop factory and you can get the price down to less than $15 each) and scribbled away, not caring if they ruined a few. You think they're going to order $300 jerseys from the MLB Shop and take Sharpies to them? No way...

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Old 02-07-2019, 06:46 PM
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Nice call on the jerseys guys. It would be hard for guys to sign on a five year old jersey. Like I said they are garbage

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Not worth the drama

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Thanks for the reviews everyone, we appreciate it.

We did come across two other items (a signed DiMaggio glove and a signed Mantle bat, both of which look like they are used. Will post photos of those in a little bit, but may end up with the same results.
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Thanks for the reviews everyone, we appreciate it.

We did come across two other items (a signed DiMaggio glove and a signed Mantle bat, both of which look like they are used. Will post photos of those in a little bit, but may end up with the same results.
if they came across with the fake jersey's there are no "Mays" about it, pun intended.
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if they came across with the fake jersey's there are no "Mays" about it, pun intended.
Ha - yes, they're from the same collection. Here they are:
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:28 PM
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Can't see the DiMaggio glove well, but the Mantle is really ugly.

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Can't see the DiMaggio glove well, but the Mantle is really ugly.

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DiMaggio glove is actually a MAYBE? if you could see it?

The Mantle is a terrible forgery.
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:52 PM
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I was thinking the same...

Mantle is a disaster, but Joe D. (from what you can see) conveys no red flags, other than the source
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The joe d looks good. I would have to have it in my hand to say yes
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Thanks Everyone. I'll get some better photos of the DiMaggio. Assuming you guys are saying the autograph is good or the glove + the autograph?
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