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Old 07-12-2018, 06:44 PM
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Nice cards Al. This is my favorite Clemente. A real missing yellow error. There are some awesome Clemente cards in the Clemente thread in the post war section.
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Moe Berg would be an obvious one. I even think Thurman Munson's cards are more expensive than they should be.
DARE I say it, now that I think of it == Nolan Ryan.
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Wrong sport, but Namath.
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DARE I say it, now that I think of it == Nolan Ryan.
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At least I didn't say it on the postwar forum. But seriously all the Ks notwithstanding he's maybe marginally in the top 25 as a pitcher IMO. Comparing him to Seaver is like, I don't know what, comparing Andy Warhol to Monet or something.
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I was just pointing out that Clemente was better than Jackie over those same years. WAR severely penalizes Clemente as a RF and in my opinion gives an undeserved bonus to 2B. There is no doubt that Jackie was a great player. He should have won 2 or 3 MVP awards, but it is a real stretch to put him in the top 2 or 3 at 2B. Claiming he missed "prime" years is something we don't know. Clemente's prime was age 29 to 36. I would have Clemente top 3 RF with Ruth and Aaron and Ruth played almost as many games in LF as RF.
Agreed. Top 2 or 3 at 2nd base means you have to put him ahead of at least half of these guys: Rogers Hornsby, Eddie Collins, Joe Morgan, Nap Lajoie. That's untenable. The order is debatable, but those are pretty clearly the top 4.
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Why does Carew get no love? His OBP SLG OPS and OPS+ are, interestingly and somewhat eerily really, virtually identical to Morgan. 7 batting titles. 3000 hits. Very high BA. Was it his fielding or lack thereof?
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Why does Carew get no love? His OBP SLG OPS and OPS+ are, interestingly and somewhat eerily really, virtually identical to Morgan. 7 batting titles. 3000 hits. Very high BA. Was it his fielding or lack thereof?
Only half his career at 2b if I recall. Same issue with Rose although in his case it's even less than half. Same problem I have calling Yount or Banks a top 5 shortstop.
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Plus, his cards look really nice.



For my money the best looking of the 1956 Topps cards.

And again in 1969:



and 1972:



Such a shame there wasn't a 1974 Topps tribute card to Clemente.
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A few of my favorites.

Many great cards of him.
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