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Old 06-01-2017, 01:55 PM
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He's posting the highest OPS of his career right now and leads the league in runs, hits, and total bases. What more does he have to do to show he can hit outside of Coors?

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He's posting the highest OPS of his career right now and leads the league in runs, hits, and total bases. What more does he have to do to show he can hit outside of Coors?
LOL really? How many guys every year have a killer 1/3 of a season???

Ervin Santana is on pace to win 21 games with a 9.3 WAR and 6 shutouts.

Justin Turner is going to hit .379, but with only 3 home runs

Joey Gallo is going to hit 48 homeruns in his first full season in the majors

Ryan Zimmerman is going to hit 80 points above his career average...

See where I'm going with this?

Like I said call me when he strings two 800+ OPS seasons back to back, let alone the .900 he averaged with the Rockies. Sample size is everything.
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I think I've represented my opinion pretty well by pointing out he matched his career high in home runs last year and is playing very well this year while away from Coors.

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I think I've represented my opinion pretty well by pointing out he matched his career high in home runs last year and is playing very well this year while away from Coors.
At the end of the season one of us is going to have fun telling the other "I told you so."
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I don't think he is HOF material, but Hunter Pence is a really good all around player. He doesn't walk a lot, but he does everything else. He hits for a little power, swipes a few bags, gets on base a little, plays well in the field... y'know, all the things that contribute to winning. But, he's also a REALLY good clubhouse guy. Players, coaches, and fans dig him. He brings a great attitude to the game and guys like him keep a team loose.
As a Giants fan, I have (had?) an appreciation of Hunter before he became a permanent fixture on the DL. Now, I wish someone would take him off "our" hands at the trade deadline.

Molina is an excellent player but pretty much hated by all, except Cardinals fans. Maybe it's the neck tattoos?
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I know he isn't the same player he used to be.. but for a guy on the doorstep of 600 Homers, closing in on 3000 hits and a career batting average over .300 Albert Pujols sure doesn't get much attention.
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mike trout is the most overlooked active player. somehow he's still getting better.
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Corey Dickerson was able to make the transition. He's having a pretty ridiculous year so far for Tampa Bay after leaving Coors.
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So you're going to ignore the full season in which he hit .245 in favor of the less than 1/3 of a season where he's tearing it up? Call me at the end of the season, at least, maybe after the end of two good seasons in a row before I'm a believer.


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Of course there's a noticeable home advantage in many parks, and lots of players perform better at home, but Coors is a different beast entirely. It's not just the power numbers either. How many .280 hitters became batting champs at Coors? They moved the outfield walls out due to the thin air, so there is a ton more room for balls to drop in for hits. Historically nothing like the consistent disparate home/away splits exist in any park to the ridiculous degree they are present at Coors.
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He hit 24 homers last year, the same number he hit while with the Rockies. I don't know what you mean by that.
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He hit 24 home runs, sure, while batting about 60 points lower than his Coors norm with a slugging also about 60-70 points lower. If you're happy with 24 home runs and an OPS of .761 there are a LOT of guys who can provide that, especially in the outfield. If you want 24 home runs and an OPS of .900+ like he had with the Rockies, that's a lot harder to find.
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He's posting the highest OPS of his career right now and leads the league in runs, hits, and total bases. What more does he have to do to show he can hit outside of Coors?
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LOL really? How many guys every year have a killer 1/3 of a season???

Ervin Santana is on pace to win 21 games with a 9.3 WAR and 6 shutouts.

Justin Turner is going to hit .379, but with only 3 home runs

Joey Gallo is going to hit 48 homeruns in his first full season in the majors

Ryan Zimmerman is going to hit 80 points above his career average...

See where I'm going with this?

Like I said call me when he strings two 800+ OPS seasons back to back, let alone the .900 he averaged with the Rockies. Sample size is everything.
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At the end of the season one of us is going to have fun telling the other "I told you so."
Decided not to wait until the end of the season. I told you so.

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May 28 .349 .388 .587 .975
June 25 .294 .336 .490 .827
July 24 .220 .273 .429 .701
August .170 .204 .234 .438
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Told me what? Even with his recent slump he's on track to set career highs in home runs, RBI's, hits, total bases and runs and made his first all star team.

So he sets career highs in 5 offensive categories but your position is that he can't hit outside of Coors Field?

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Sorry you don't understand that he's been awful since the all-star game and his percentage stats are trending downward rapidly. He is a league average OF at best. Who cares if he hits a career best in HR's if his slugging is mediocre? Who cares about hits if his OBP is mediocre? Apparently you do, but he's just not a great player, he really isn't even a particularly good one.
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