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Old 05-17-2012, 08:22 AM
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Default To crack, or not to crack...ASA graded card...

Okay -

So I've owned this card for a while now. I was always nervous to hear what others thought of the card, whether it is legit or not. It is well documented (at least on this forum) that ASA graded cards are often times trimmed, but generally thought to be authentic.

So here's the question, should I crack it out before submitting to SGC, or should I leave it in the ASA holder? I'm leaning towards leaving it in, but w/ Zeenuts, there is always a very fine line between having it grade as SGC 10 vs. "A". In other words, will there be any bias by the card graders since it's being submitted in the ASA holder? And yes, I know it won't come back as a 20, 30, or 40...

Based on my untrained eye, it appears to have the right "un-couponed" dimensions to come back as a 10, but I just don't know...

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Old 05-17-2012, 08:26 AM
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I would totally agree with your assessment, overgraded but authentic and no further alterations - a perfect SGC 10.
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Old 05-17-2012, 08:38 AM
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personally...I'd keep it in the ASA holder as a historical trace of one of the earliest slabs in the hobby.

while I think Alan Hager was/is somewhat of a conman...I still like the remnant of a long past period in time.

And regarding the card's status...I'd say untrimmed...just rough!!!!!

Nice card!

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Old 05-17-2012, 08:41 AM
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It certainly looks authentic, but it also looks like it might have been torn in two at some point. Crack if you just don't like the ASA holder, but my guess is it wouldn't get a numerical grade from SGC.
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Old 05-17-2012, 08:42 AM
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Why not put your own mind to rest, submit it to SGC and see what happens. It should at least put your mind to rest about the issue, even if it comes back graded authentic, atleast you'll know the fact and not be questioning it anymore. Peace of mind can be a wonderful thing.
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Old 05-17-2012, 08:45 AM
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Why not put your own mind to rest, submit it to SGC and see what happens. It should at least put your mind to rest about the issue, even if it comes back graded authentic, atleast you'll know the fact and not be questioning it anymore. Peace of mind can be a wonderful thing.
Very good point...enough said! I'm sorry to say but there will be one fewer ASA graded card in circulation soon enough, despite Peter's desire to save one of the few remaining relics of the Hager era.
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Old 05-17-2012, 08:48 AM
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I guess i just disagree! how will submitting this to SGC "put your mind at rest?" If it comes back A...you'll be pissed!

Just because a TPG'er says it's one thing or the other...why should that matter?

Why can't the card just be enjoyed for what it is...a tough, desirable "DeMaggio" rookie?!

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Derek - Crack out, submit to SGC, then send Peter the ASA holder as a keepsake of yesteryear. There ya go, problem solved.
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crack it.

keep it raw or re-submit to SGC

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Old 05-17-2012, 08:53 AM
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Sounds good to me...I'll take it!

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