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Old 06-20-2018, 09:09 PM
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Default T206 REFERENCE....Reflections, Theorys, etc....comparable printing patterns in T205's

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Due to their very close affiliation, I refer to these 350 Series T206's as the A-B-C-D connection


Time to switch off to a side-track in order to compare similar printing patterns between the T206 & T205 sets. In the Summer of 1910, American Lithographic (ALC)
introduced a new set of T-brands (AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, CYCLE, and DRUM). My research shows that ALC printed 190 subjects from the 350 series with
each of these 4 backs. I like the similar stylistic design of these backs, and I refer to this pattern as the "A-B-C-D connection". For more info check-out thread......
T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"


In 1911, when ALC was producing the T205 cards, they repeated the A-B-C-D connection for 32 subjects in this set. More info regarding this, check-out this theory
presented on this forum in a November 2014 thread....... T205 DRUM vs HINDU......


T205 A=B=C=D pattern

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The key factor in this A = B = C = D equation is the Black American Beauty back. NOTE that a T205 subject with a Green American Beauty back
will NOT be found with a DRUM back.


T205 A-B-C-D connection.......32 subjects

James Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
William Bergen
Russell Blackburne
Albert Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Harold Chase (border on shirt)
Frank Corridon
Thomas Downey
Louis Evans
George Graham (blue signature)
Buck Herzog
Richard Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Jack Knight
A. Latham
Thomas Leach
John Lobert

Briscoe Lord
Patrick Moran
Frederick Olmstead
George Paskert
Fred Payne
Edward Phelps
John Quinn
Lewis Richie
David Shean
George Stone
Zach Wheat
Harry Wolter

The above 5 subjects in bold letters have yet to be confirmed with the DRUM back. But, they already have been confirmed with the A - B - C backs.
Therefore, I expect these 5 subjects will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.


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Hey guys,
If perhaps you may have any one of these 5 missing DRUM cards....please by all means chime in here. Especially, if you have Huggins or Lobert.



Furthermore, after completing my 209-card T205 set [including the Hoblitzell (no stats)]......I continued my T205 "hunt" by forming these A-B-C-D sub-sets.
Here is an example of my favorite......








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Old 06-20-2018, 09:28 PM
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Lake no ball Y
Ball Y
Elberfield Y
J Collins N
H Smith N
Camnitz arm side N
Krause N
Davidson N
Ames hands above head N
Chance yellow N
Cobb red N
Rucker N
Doyle w bat Y
Sheckard glove show Y
McQuillan Y
Devore Y
Magee N
Rucker N
Milan Y
Pelty vertical Y
McGraw glove hip Y
Merkle throwing Y
Bergen catching Y
Shannon N
Manning pitching N
Campell N
O'Leary hands knees Y
Wiltse pitching N
Rudolph N
Pfeffer Y
Overall Y
Needham N
Stovall bat Y
Sheckard N
Ferguson N
Ferguson N
Stahl N
Donlin N
McIntyre N
Street N
Street N
Dygert N
Huggins Y
Pfeffer N
O'Leary knees N
Lord N
Perring Y
Ford N
Geyer Y
Reulbach Y
Ames N

So like I said..I have 20 wst out of my 50 Tolstois...meh close enough for government work.

How does Tolstoi compare to other brands as far as wst's, seem more common with Tolstoi.
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Old 06-21-2018, 10:36 AM
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Hi Dpoolem3

Here's the break-down of your YES cards with respect to the series they were printed in.

I was looking for a consistent series pattern to explain your Tolstoi wet ink transfers.
And, there really doesn't appear to be a pattern.

350-only series
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Huggins
Milan
Perring

350/460 series
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Doyle w bat Y
Elberfield Y
Lake no ball Y
McQuillan Y
O'Leary hands knees Y
Overall Y (yellow sky) ........ ?
Pelty vertical Y
Reulbach Y

460-only series
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Ball
Bergen catching Y
Devore Y
Geyer Y
McGraw glove hip Y
Merkle throwing Y
Overall (blue sky) .............. ?
Pfeffer Y
Sheckard glove show Y
Stovall bat Y

By the way, which Overall card do you have listed ? ?


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Old 06-21-2018, 03:45 PM
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Hi Dpoolem3

Here's the break-down of your YES cards with respect to the series they were printed in.

I was looking for a consistent series pattern to explain your Tolstoi wet ink transfers.
And, there really doesn't appear to be a pattern.

350-only series
-----------------
Huggins
Milan
Perring

350/460 series
-----------------
Doyle w bat Y
Elberfield Y
Lake no ball Y
McQuillan Y
O'Leary hands knees Y
Overall Y (yellow sky) ........ ?
Pelty vertical Y
Reulbach Y

460-only series
-----------------
Ball
Bergen catching Y
Devore Y
Geyer Y
McGraw glove hip Y
Merkle throwing Y
Overall (blue sky) .............. ?
Pfeffer Y
Sheckard glove show Y
Stovall bat Y

By the way, which Overall card do you have listed ? ?


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Hands at waist level
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Old 06-21-2018, 08:12 PM
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.. v ................................ 19" x 24" standard size sheet ...................................v

.... Simulated sheet of the T206 "Exclusive 12" subjects in the 460-only series


I refer to the Minor Leaguers as the Exclusive 12 of the T205 set. As is obvious, their front designs differ considerably from the Major League subjects in the T205 set.
These cards were printed at the tail-end of the T205 production run in the Fall/Winter of 1911. This timeline is evident from the bio descriptions on the backs of these
cards. And, they were printed with only two T-brand advertisements on their backs....either HASSAN or POLAR BEAR.

Illustrated here is my concept of a printed sheet of 96 cards which fit on a 19" x 24" standard size cardboard sheet of that era.

T205 Minor Leaguers (12 subjects)













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Old 06-21-2018, 08:26 PM
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Ted,

That T205 Minor League concept sheet is eye candy for sure man!
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Hi Andy

Love your avatar....brings back memories of the grand ole Ft. Washington Show days when we first met.

If I recall correctly, on the front of the HINDU card is Doc Powers.

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Good memory Ted. Wow. You're right about Powers. And I still think you gave me a heck of a deal on that Hindu.

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Hi Pat

Thanks for posting those horizontal mis-cut T206's.

Many years ago I saw a horizontal mis-cut T206 with the Chance (yellow portrait) adjacent to the red Cobb.


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Old 06-22-2018, 05:15 PM
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Only copy I have ever seen of this Ted.


That is exactly the mis-cut Chance/Cobb I referred to in Post #398.

Thanks Chris for posting it.

Will we see you at the National in Cleveland ?



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