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Old 12-31-2013, 11:22 AM
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Default 1991 Topps / DS Packaging

I was curious to see if anyone had information about the packaging on both the 1991 regular issues cards as well as DS packs. 1991 was supposed to be the first year Topps introduced all plastic wrapping. I suspect they used both wax paper wrapping and then switched midstream.

However, all the DS packs I have (perhaps 12) all have wax paper wrapping. Youtube videos of people unwrapping 1991 regular issue packs appear to show all plastic wrapping; opening DS packs appears to show wax paper wrapping. Admittedly, I have not gone through all of the videos. I always assumed Desert Shield packs were made at the end of the 1991 print run. If that was the case why wouldn't they be all plastic?

Got me curious now - check your collection of unwrapped packs & please chime in with what you have or what you know about packs! Thanks

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Old 12-31-2013, 11:39 AM
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Zach---I think ( not sure) it was in 1991 that Topps switched to plastic from wax, and did it during the year, so that for the regular cards, both wax and plastic packs can be found. I have 4 unopened boxes ( to get a full set of the box panel cards and because there were older cards in inserted in 91 packs). All 4 boxes are wax. I bought them early.

I have a set of the DS cards and what I believe is one unopened pack ( bought from a reputable dealer). It is wax. If someone knows a sure fire way to tell if it is a DS pack or not, would be happy to try and verify
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Old 12-31-2013, 12:35 PM
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I have boxes and loose packs of both wax and cellophane. Have no idea about the DS cards. But I know that at some point mid year here in Oklahoma we started seeing the cellophane ones. Not near as much fun to open.
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Old 12-31-2013, 01:54 PM
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My understanding is there is no way to distinguish from a regular 91 Topps wax pack and a DS pack. The only sure fire way is to open it.

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Old 12-31-2013, 02:17 PM
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Default Desert Shield Packs

There actually is a way to eliminate it as a regular issue 1991 Topps pack; however, there is no way to conclusively prove it is a DS pack with certainty. They used 2 types of ink in the production run that are similar but not identical.

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Old 12-31-2013, 02:32 PM
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Zach--If there is a way to eliminate it as a a regular pack, what would be left besides a DS pack ? Possible counterfeit ? In know there is different printing/ink on many 91 cards, is the same true of the packs ?
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Old 12-31-2013, 04:20 PM
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Default 1991 Topps & Desert Shield Packs

Most of the 1991 Topps cards were printed with 2 different variations of one of the colors of ink. There was a previous post on Net54 which noted this, but I can't seem to find the original post.

Most - but not all - of the Desert Shield cards I've checked were printed with only 1 variation of this ink. The ink is actually visible - and distinguishable from the other type of ink - through the packaging. It is hard to pick up but you can clearly make out the differences.

This does not eliminate packs that aren't Desert Shield packs entirely, but greatly reduces the chances of picking up a regular issue pack. I just scanned 140 DS cards and only 2 cards had the earlier version of ink.

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Old 12-31-2013, 05:21 PM
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Ok, so you are scanning for the cards themselves, not the pack itself ?
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Old 01-01-2014, 01:19 AM
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Yes, correct. You can see the ink under certain conditions through the wrapper which means that there is a correspondingly greater or lesser chance that the pack contains DS cards.
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Yes, correct. You can see the ink under certain conditions through the wrapper which means that there is a correspondingly greater or lesser chance that the pack contains DS cards.
I have 3 DS printing error cards and would like the ink info if you would share it. I looked at mine under "certain conditions" and they are the bright orange/red compared to the burgundy color of some regular issue cards.

The ink on the regular 91's are strange. Some glow on the back some do not and some glow on the front and some do not. The strange part is they can be any combination of front/back glowing not glowing under a BL. I even found a few that the whole front of the card glows, not just the yellow.
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