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Old 02-01-2005, 11:45 AM
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Posted By: scot reader


Heitman's "T206 The Monster" checklist indicates that the following fronts can be found with a 150 or a 350 back. Can anybody confirm any of these with a 350 back?

Ames (Hands at Chest)
Dahlen (Boston)
Doyle (Throwing)
Ewing
Ganley
Karger
Keeler (Portrait)

Heitman's checklist also indicates that the following fronts can be found with a 350 or 460 back. Can anybody confirm any of these with a 350 back?

Abbaticchio (Blue Sleeves)
Kleinow (Boston)
Latham
Overall (Hands at Waist)
Schaefer (Washington)
Tannehill (Chicago "Tannehill" on Front)

Thanks.
Tinker (Bat on Shoulder)

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Old 02-01-2005, 02:14 PM
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Posted By: Joe P.

He gets an error because YOU haven't found the
corresponding Back???
Come on, give us a break.

Heitman, Lipset and a few other diehard collectors/researchers went through more T's in a month than most current brain pickers in a year.

They collected - traded - exchanged cards through the mail for observation by the other - researched and checklisted what they had observed - did not make it a point to to prove each other wrong, but passed the info on to anyone that was interested.

Heitman made an error???

I don't mind brain picking by someone that wants to learn, but before anyone starts making statements about someone that has talked the talk, after walking the walk - I recommend a little walking first.

Due to the desire of peer recognition on this
board, I've noticed a Salem Witch Hunt overkill
lately.

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Old 02-01-2005, 05:29 PM
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Posted By: scot reader


I'm sorry you're not interested in helping me understand the T206 set better.

I hope others on this board will be more receptive to the idea.

I hope it felt good to vent.

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Old 02-01-2005, 05:48 PM
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Posted By: Brian Weisner


Hi Joe,
I think your missing Scot's point. He is not trying to trash Heitman or his work, simply trying to expound on it. We know Heitman's Monster isn't perfect and there are some error's, but It is by far the best published research on the T206 set. The patterns Heitman identified make a lot of sense, but they are not perfect, and Scot is spending time trying to verify, correct and improve on Heitman's amazing work. There are quite a few "veteran collectors" helping Scot in his endevors, as many of us have been tracking T206 backs for quite sometime already have the data available. Please don't jump to conclusions, this is a positive thing, not a negative.

Be well Brian

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Old 02-01-2005, 07:02 PM
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Posted By: Joe P.

scot reader:
"Possible Heitman Errors"
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Pray tell.
What does the above statement have to do with
finding the connecting 350's to Heitman's 150's.

Talk About Negativity.

Mr, scot reader, show me the positivity in your
statement of:

"Possible Heitman Errors"


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Old 02-01-2005, 08:09 PM
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Posted By: J Levine

There was nothing in Scot's post that I found negative. I am glad he is continuing the research that Heitman and Lipset had started. I absolutely respect both Heitman and Lipset but both are human and not gods and should be able to make mistakes. I make mistakes, you make mistakes, we all do. Part of the hobby is gaining knowledge and building upon what we others have started.

My specialty is T-205s and I recently asked for a copy of a Trader Speaks article Heitman authored on the T-205s...guess what, there were many errors in the article incl. his omission of Hindu backs, his inclusion of Sweet Cap. red fact. 25 (don't exist), and his two different colors of Soverign backs (I firmly believe it is just ink difference, not a true color variant). He also leaves out many variations that we recognize today.

Does that mean I am trashing the article (and Bill)...of course not, it is one of the only articles I have seen that actually states that the issue may be 1911 AND 1912. It also talks about scarcity and some of the variations toughness.

I applaud Scot for taking the hobby pioneers and working to better our knowledge.

-Joshua

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Posted By: JimB

I have to agree Joe, that I think you missed the point of Scot's attempt at furthering our knowledge of T206 production. Building on earlier knowledge and correcting past mistakes makes us better historians. I don't see what there is to get upset about.

As for your question Scot, I went through my set and found that for every card you mentioned (I have copies of all of them), I did not have a 350 series back. They were either 150s or 350-460s/ Polar Bear "Assorted" as indicated by your layout. Thanks for what you are doing.
JimB

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

Wow, we are all really touchy today aren't we. I'm not sure why people on ths board gets so defensive sometimes. Somebody comes on here asking VERY legit questions, and we yell at him because he dared to say something against one of the hobby giants. Everyone needs to take a step back, count to 10, and then help out our fellow collectors. I'm not trying to single anyone out, it happens here all the time. Just my 2-cents
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None of those fronts carry a 350 back in my house.
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I have Ganley and Latham with a 350 back.

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